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3. července 2004, 16:22:30
bwildman 
Subjekt: same old equipment
what ever happened to the money LindaJ so unselfishly spent hours and days raising for you?

3. července 2004, 17:09:24
Fencer 
Hey Steve, what's your real point? To keep provoking me until I stop responding and then you will claim "he is ignoring my questions again"? Don't waste your time. If you want to continue, choose another board. General Chat, for example.

bwildman: They were used for BrainKing, of course. I don't think you expect me to send you copies of bills of hardware components we had to buy, just to keep BrainKing alive. If you don't trust me, nobody forces you to support us anymore.

3. července 2004, 17:14:03
Stevie 
Thats the sort of response ive come to expect

3. července 2004, 17:22:42
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re: same old equipment
I was under the impression that the $ donated was to be saved to help pay for a new server.

I suppose it does not matter exactly, if that money was used for other things related to brainking, and then use money collected from memberships, for example, to pay for a new server.

Maybe if we are really concerned, we could hold donated funds in an escrow account until the time to purchase this new server, so there would be no possible other uses for money that we want used to buy a new server.

3. července 2004, 17:28:00
BuilderQ 
If game time is suspended, that means that no one is required to move. If you don't like how quickly someone moves, then don't play them again. What more needs to be said?

3. července 2004, 17:31:27
Stevie 
Subjekt: BuilderQ
Its to allow for players who cant get on here, not to allow the ones here to stretch things even further. you are wrong.

3. července 2004, 17:32:21
Fencer 
IMupChucKing: It's a matter of trust, nothing else. Nobody is obliged to support us, everything is voluntary.
bwildman: Do you really think it's possible to purchase a whole new server for 400 or 500 USD? You cannot buy more than several components to replace the damaged ones in the current "same old equipment" [as you call it] which is exactly what the money was used for. We cannot just wait for more funds and do nothing at the meantime. When something is malfunctioning, it MUST be fixed immediately. Q.E.D.

3. července 2004, 17:37:31
BuilderQ 
Subjekt: Stevie
Games will not time out. Nothing stops players from using that to delay games, so such is allowed. I am not sure that this board is a suitable place for your personal complaints against Kevin.

3. července 2004, 17:38:44
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re:
Its called tournaments..... no control over who you play, and even if you dont play them, you still have to wait for them, as a tournament is set up to play at the pace of the slowest player. I agree with Steve, that its just a lack of courtesy when someone who is holding up a tournament does so even when they are on here often and are able to play at a much faster pace, if they werent so obstinent. (BTW...being obstinent is nothing to be proud of)

I think it is a conspiracy to make every pay atleast for two years membership, as most tournaments take that long, or more, to complete ;)

3. července 2004, 17:42:18
Stevie 
Subjekt: Re: Stevie
Tyhis is the right board, its misuse of something done to the site to help others.

I have already started removing players like this from my tournaments, but these games were started many months ago. But most players ive removed dont act like this in these circumstances. But then again, he is still a minor anyways.

And who are you to tell me where to post?

3. července 2004, 17:42:24
BuilderQ 
Of course a tournament is set to the pace of the slowest player. Everyone has to finish their games for the tournament to be completed. By signing up for a tournament, you agree to wait for the other players in it.

3. července 2004, 17:50:49
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re:
It is a matter of trust, agreed.
I wonder, had there been no donations to purchase a new server, where would the money come from for these repairs? If I said to you, Fencer, I have $4K(or the full price) for you to purchase a brand new server, check is in the mail, I would expect (not trust) that you would purchase that server. If you do not have money already to keep up with repairs, perhaps you should be taking donations for that purpose, instead of a new server?
Stevie... you didnt do a very good job of removing these type of players from your dollar donation tournament ;) It would be into the third round or finished by now had it not been for 2 or 3 players!

3. července 2004, 17:54:48
Stevie 
Subjekt: Re: Re:
I know, but at the time it seemed for a good cause to have as many as possible, It turned out that I was wrong :o(

3. července 2004, 18:55:25
DeaD man WalkiN 
Subjekt: Re: same old equipment
maybe if we could run another pay fund raiser to add with the last 1 they could find a big server or the bigger hard ware to handle it. Just an idea.
:o{P

3. července 2004, 18:58:04
Fencer 
Subjekt: Re: same old equipment
mrloupcity: There is another way.

3. července 2004, 19:03:15
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re: same old equipment
Just remember Mr Loup City...its a matter of trust, not expectation! ;)

3. července 2004, 19:11:11
Fencer 
There is one more significant advantage of a brand new server. It is usually purchased with 3 years warranty (or more, in some cases). When something goes wrong, we don't have to pay for a fix, it must be done for free by the vendor. It means there should be no other unexpected expenses like we occasionally have in our current situation.

3. července 2004, 19:54:01
Artful Dodger 
Subjekt: cool t-shirts
I see a paypal connection. Is there an idea of the shipping $? ;)

3. července 2004, 19:58:30
Fencer 
The price covers all shipping and handling fees. Isn't it written on the Store page?

3. července 2004, 20:06:46
Artful Dodger 
Subjekt: Price: 20 EUR including shipping and handling
Yep, sorry, I misunderstood that. :)

3. července 2004, 20:08:11
Fencer 
If it's not correct in English, please let me know how to write it better, just to avoid more misunderstandings :-)

3. července 2004, 20:13:54
Artful Dodger 
Subjekt: Just a thought :) but it might just be me that's the problem ;)
" including shipping and handling. "

could be changed to

"Price includes shipping and handling" or
"The price covers all shipping and handling fees."

3. července 2004, 20:27:15
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re:
Maybe you could get the warranty for 3 years or one Backgammon tournament, whichever is longer?

3. července 2004, 20:31:13
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re: Price: 20 EUR including shipping and handling
20 EUR includes shipping and handling, perhaps?

3. července 2004, 20:38:11
LongJohn 
Subjekt: Hey Steve
I think it was a little more sensible when cheapskates like BuilderQ who cant even fork out 10 bucks for membership were not able to post.
His comments on this situation obviously are only directed to try and make you more angry.
I think maybe it is time for people like BuilderQ to once again be banned from the boards.
Pay up or Shut up is usually a good motto :)

ON this time limit issue though, I still think it would be great if one of the previous suggestions of a set overall game time limit was implemented. Little boys with silly wigs wouldnt be able to delay games then.

In the meantime, I think we should all boot Kevin from our tourneys before they start.

3. července 2004, 20:39:39
coan.net 
or 20 EUR (Free shipping!)

3. července 2004, 21:27:10
Kevin 
Změněno uživatelem Kevin (3. července 2004, 21:28:34)
I apologize if I am moving too slowly for anyone, but I do not believe I am moving more slowly than usual. I am just not required at the time to ensure my games do not "time out", so I am not.

If you will notice, I have joined VERY few tournaments in the last several months (maybe 1?), excluding the ones I was invited to (which I will always join). If you want to remove my from tournaments I may happen to join, that's your choice - I will not be offended.

I have NEVER left a game to the last minute purposely - if I happen to move with minutes left, that is when I happened to get to it. If I have the time between the other events in my life, I will play until I have no games left - but I will remind you that until recently I was in school, and was quite involved in school and community activities, as well as working a part-time job. Sorry I can't make Brainking.com a full time job like you.

And LJ - if you believe insulting me will make me move faster, I'm sorry to tell you it will not. If you do not believe it will make me move faster, then I ask you: Why do you insult me? Do you believe that you are better than me because you are older than me?

Also, on a related note, you will noticed that every membership I have offered I have paid for - and more. Can you say that, LJ? Didn't think so.

3. července 2004, 21:58:00
Czuch 
Kevin, you currently have over 20 games which should have timed out by now. You stated that you have never purposly left a game to the last minute, you also stated that you are not moving in your games because you dont have to. Which is it? Not moving until you are forced to (purposly playing at the last minute) or not????

You also have well over 100 games currently going. What do You call full time??? How can you posibly have school full time, and all of the extra curricular activities you claim, and still keep up with 100+ games?

You are obviously an intelligent young man. But dont you worry that you are biting off more than you can handle, at such a young age? I mean 20 something games which are ready to time out, is just too much of a load for you right now, its obvious. Instead od apologizing, maybe you should show some maturity and cut back your game count, or play longer limit games?

3. července 2004, 21:58:42
Skyking 
What happens if someone goes and complains to other boards they will be told to take it elseware.

3. července 2004, 22:09:31
Kevin 
Why do you assume I have left these games to the last minute purposely? I have not. I had other commitments, and I knew the games would not time out while I was gone. And I guess I was right. If they would have timed out, I would have played them before. I'm sorry this site is not my #1 commitment.

School is hardly a commitment at all - I just have to go there for 6 hours a day. There was never a need to study, and very rarely had homework I had to do at home. That would be why I became involved in all of the extracurricular activities - to give me something to do.

You have the right to believe that I have to many games or am involved in too many things, but I'm the one who is in fact involved in them, so it is my choice and my problem. If I have too many games than I can play, I will time out giving my opponent the win. If I do not time out, I obviously do not have too many games than I can handle. The only times I have timed out were either a misjudgment as to how long I had to move (so I would do something more important), or a temporary loss of internet access. But you know what? I have survived those games timing out.

Also, it really does not take very long to play through my games. I never spend more than about 30 seconds per move, and probably average less than 10. That's less than 20 minutes to play through 100 games, assuming the site is responding well. If you are wondering why then I do not play them faster - I simply have more important things to do. This is what I would call a hobby or a pastime - I enjoy playing games here, and that is the only reason why I do it. It's people like you that worsen the experience here.

No, I sure do not worry that I am "biting off more than I can chew", and like I said - the number of games I have in progress obviously is not too much.

3. července 2004, 22:32:08
VikingX 
Subjekt: Kevin,
Změněno uživatelem VikingX (3. července 2004, 22:34:51)
there is absolutely no reason for you to apologize or feel like you need to explain your actions to anyone. Some people`s strange opinions are their own problem, not yours.
And yes...there is life outside of the internet. Very strange that there are adults who haven`t made that discovery yet.

3. července 2004, 22:32:47
LongJohn 
If you have so many time commitments, why are you in Customer Service.
It is blatantly obvious that you do not assist in that, and in fact go out of your way to let games time down causing ppl to wait longer. No need to argue that point as you have just stated so below by saying that if they were due to time out, you would play them.

I think at least you should opt out of customer service and rethink your attitudes. there are others to consider and the fact that they have pointed out that they would prefer you to play faster should be reason enough for you to do such, and not justify your lack of speed.

3. července 2004, 22:33:03
rod03801 
Earlier today, I had these red numbers by the Main Page link. (101/1) ... what did that mean? I was going to check it out by clicking on the "1", but got sidetracked, and never did.

3. července 2004, 22:34:43
Grim Reaper 
Kevin, I believe if your buttocks caught fire somehow, you would go participate in your extra-curricular activites, then go look for water about 1 minute before any trace of your rear end was left.

3. července 2004, 22:34:47
rod03801 
There is also NO reason for Kevin to "opt out" of customer service, as he is very knowledgeable about this site.

3. července 2004, 22:34:51
LongJohn 
the 1 is for invites people have sent you I believe

3. července 2004, 22:35:35
MadMonkey 
rod: (101/1) 101 = the games it is your move in & 1 = 1 game invite waiting for you.

3. července 2004, 22:36:16
Artful Dodger 
I think the 101/1 means you have 101 moves and 1 challenge waiting. :)

3. července 2004, 22:37:55
Artful Dodger 
everybody beats me to the answer lol

3. července 2004, 22:38:58
Artful Dodger 
This is not the bash Kevin board. Lighten up and have fun. ☺

3. července 2004, 22:41:13
MadMonkey 
Please note what this board is for:
Board for everybody who is interested in BrainKing.com itself, its structure, features and future.
Kevin has explained his situation and as long as his games are played within the time limits he has done nothing wrong. Fencer has also explained about the idea of setting different types of tournaments in the future (on the Tournament Board) without using vacation days or weekends.

3. července 2004, 22:43:29
LongJohn 
AD, I think Steve has a point and players like that irk me too and I think the point needed to be made.
Fortunately I am currently not playing any stallers like Kevin so I am lucky. The main thing people are getting wrong is their interpretation of time limits.
Seems most people think time limits are what you should take between moves when in fact the real reason for setting a larger time limit most of the time is to allow for unforseen occurrences. ie, I bet I could play a 30 day game of BG with Steve and finish the whole game within 2 or 3 days tops.
It is time people started to be considerate of others when it comes to moving faster

3. července 2004, 22:53:15
Czuch 
Subjekt: Re:
Kevin, its not to dificult to see that if you do not move in a game until it is ready to time out, then you are purposly leaving a game until the last minute. You are currently purposly leaving over 20 of them like that.

Also it is very difficult to beleive anything you say, when you claim that you can clear all of your games in 30 minutes, yet have other more important things to do, yet you also claim that school was nothing more than 6 hours out of your day, and was so easy you had to look for extra curricular activities to keep you from being bored.

As a customer service rep. you should consider giving this site more of a priority, and if clearing your games is so easy for you, just do it for the sake of your opponents who are also trying to enjoy this site, and who you could 'so easily' help out.

Also as a customer service rep, you should be leading through example, not the one taking advantage of time out rules that are there to help people who are not able to access the site for whatever technical reason. Fencer does not suspend the time limits just to allow you more time for your more important activities. You claim to play on this site for enjoyment, and it is people like me who ruin it for you. Well, consider that there are others here for enjoyment too (who actually pay real money to play, not 'brains') And you are responsible for ruining their enjoyment. It is time for you to quit being a selfish kid, and live up to some of the responsibilities you have created for yourself.

3. července 2004, 22:57:16
rod03801 
Subjekt: 101/1
i didn't have any challenge waiting, though..

3. července 2004, 22:57:55
LongJohn 
maybe someone challenged you then deleted it?
I am clutching at straws now LOL

3. července 2004, 23:01:45
MadMonkey 
Rod: There is also a known bug on some red numbers. If you have a look at BrainKing.info it will tell you the ones known so far.

3. července 2004, 23:02:35
rod03801 
Yeah, that's possible, I suppose.
Thanks..

3. července 2004, 23:04:00
rod03801 
I go to brainking.info frequently. Didn't seem like the same thing as the mentioned red number bug..

3. července 2004, 23:05:15
bumble 
Rod0072345284: I had the same problem. It clears itself after a while.

3. července 2004, 23:06:36
MadMonkey 
It the first one on the Known Bugs list there.

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