Its confusing when posts are missing :o)

gooner: Any missing posts were removed by the poster. (unless a Global Mod came in)

Kingsrow has the 10-piece database now.

http://pages.prodigy.net/eyg/Checkers/10-pieceBuild.htm

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/alemanni/apage_check_e.html

Grim Reaper: Very impressive though the computer talk was way over my head.

Will players invite me to some checker games?

http://brainking.com/en/ShowGame?g=952957&i=16

I direct everyone's attention to the above position. After I made my move, my opponent, Ustica, made this remark to me in our game:

ustica: ustica: (7. August 2005, 01:48:33)
if i was white i do 24-28 not 1-6 you like publesh moves. oh well just my opion.

On our board, 1-6 is g1-f2 and 24-28 is b6-a7. The move the "great" ustica is trying to tell me to play will lose.

I am wondering, if he is so good, why doesn't he know this? Does he actually think he can persuade me to make a losing move.

What a great champion he is.

Grim Reaper: I was wonder if you use 3 program or just one. but hey! if you wanna win you gotta take chance.

ustica:

Take a chance? Translation. Lie about the move and see if your opponent believes you.

Sorry pal, one look at "24-28" (by the way, why did you say that instead of refer to the letters on the board on BrainKing? Oh, that's right, computer programs have numbers on them, don't they?) and I knew that was a losing move.

Grim Reaper: One look? I can stare at that move forever and don't see it as a losing one. I actually think it's not a bad move at all.

gooner: i agree. serial unposting should be a crime..!

and we miss all the juicy chat lol

http://brainking.com/game/Tournaments?trg=10365&tri=51956&trnst=0

Grim Reaper: As for the numeric notation, have you noticed this Settings page?

Does anybody else think that the "24-28" is not a losing move?

Pedro Martínez: There could be a problem analyzing moves of a game in progress as tempting as it is.

Purple: What problem?

Pedro Martínez: If the chat gets more detailed and someone suggests a course of action for a next move or even a strategy then someone could yell "foul." Analyze away..I do..but be careful about the posting because we don't want to provide excuses. The game is one on one.

Purple: I'm talking about a move that was NOT played. Trice didn't move that way. I don't care about the game they play right now, I want to discuss the "24-28" move.

Pedro Martínez: It seems hard to discuss the move that was not made without bringing in the move that was and how future moves were/are impacted by that.

Excuse me but that's a total nonsense what you wrote. I want to discuss a theoretical game that has absolutely no connection to the game these two are playing since it's already a completely different game. All I want to figure out is if Trice would have lost the game if he had moved 9.b6-a7. That's it. Absolutely no connection whatsoever to the ongoing game.

Pedro Martínez: If it looks like it is impacting THIS game your post will be deleted whether you think it is nonsense or not.

Does anybody else think that the "24-28" is not a losing move?

The piece that would have moved from 24 to 28 is now off the board, and cannot influence the play whatsoever.

That subgame, by defintion, cannot possibly occur in this game, since it is impossible to create any such position from the parent game with an extra piece on the board.

Pedro, if you do not think it is a losing move, challenge me to a rated game, and play it. I will play the other side.

Grim Reaper: Fair offer. Do it that way.

Grim Reaper: OK. Thanks.

For anyone interested, it's this game:
http://brainking.com/cz/ShowGame?g=967503

So, the game is over. Grim Reaper has won. Amazing how someone can predict a loss/win in 131 moves (I mean this). Congrats

Maybe Ed Trice is the greatest player in the world :)

Pedro Martínez: WOW!!can predict 131 moves. must be the best. like in chess ,in 4 games was #1. WOW!! Congrats

Socrates: I see a close game but I'll take Ustica and the points. LOL

Grim Reaper: That was impressive by any standard. Thanks.

Grim Reaper: I can see one move ahead maybe..so what do I know? LOL. But I have played Ustica 100 times in the last 4 years with zero wins. As I said it looks like a close game.

Purple: how many times have you beat GR?

Purple: where are u playing it bud

Congratulations on being the greatest online checkers player, Grim Reaper.

Socrates: Maybe he is a genius and no one wants to accept it.. haha..

He is a kewl dude actually.. he fools you all! :) Makes you think he is a meanie..

Hey Ed.. how's life? And I wonder why I don't play checkers with him.. haha

ScarletRose: isnt he just simply AmaZing??? LOL..I wonder if Purple is taking bets on the game of the century?

Grim Reaper: how many possible outcomes are there in a game of checkers?
I only ask you this,because I know you have written checker programs for several years now.

bwildman: There are three possible outcomes in a game of checkers.

Pedro Martínez: duh..LOL..my bad..I should have said"end games"

Grim Reaper: Wow and Wow!!!!!! I had no ideal. :o)

Pedro Martínez: 131 moves?
that game went 74..am I missing something?

bwildman: He's most likely talking individual moves, and then only from the "losing move" they had been discussing. That way, 131 sounds about right.
There were 148 total moves in the game (74x2) and 131 moves back must have been the move in question.

John Baker: that makes sense.

see.. what'd I tell ya!! haha.. you go boy!! whooo hooo..

Grim Reaper: I got 9 once against a little computer program, no move list...

What's the most in published play Ed?