alanback: Yes I noticed that too after finding he'd stopped making moves on the games he was loosing aginst me then I saw all his unfinished games and realised what he was doing. Sheeeeesh! it's v. annoying.

grenv: Stupid me, I just play the games. I had never thought of delaying them while losing. An interesting way to achieve a high rating, but when the crash comes it'll be a swift one. Holding the top spot is the trick. I was top for one day in Extinction Chess and am still the top rated in Dark Chess after a year. Though I think that won't be the case much longer. Still nice being the top rated while it happens. If I win a few more games my Backgammon BKR will pass my Dark Chess rating.

This happens in many of the games unfortunately.

I find this a bit stupid if it's true..... I mean to delay some lost games, in order to be first for a while.......
Perhaps Fencer or anyone else has a secret prize for the 1st at Backgammon on the 1st of May. It maybe 100.000$ ............. So he knows what he is doing.......

I just took a look at penteman's unfinished games, about the first 15 are sure losers. Well, that tarnishes his accomplishment a tad ;-)

Pedro Martínez: What is that, 23 straight wins? That strains even my credulity. However, a day of reckoning will come :)

until he starts finishing the lost games...

We have a new ratings king -- but for how long? ;-)

Anybody win a hypergammon match with nothing but double sixes?

wayney: Not the best, just the one with the highest current ranking :-) good game!

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wayney: It's shaping up as an interesting game. Too late to break the streak, though!

wayney: good luck wayney. You will need it.
I hope you are able to pull off a win

JamesHird: LOL funny one James.
I plan to end that winning streak although I am off to a slow start.
I think he bribed the dice Gods

JamesHird: And that remark is supposed to mean what exactly?

alanback: LOL
That's certainly more of an achivement than beating the disabled ones if that's what you mean alan :)

wayney: Thanks -- I was lucky against some very able opponents!

alanback: thats only 4.769 points per game average which makes sense with a max of 8 for you alanback.
Very good going and a well deserved #1 spot I say

I said I had a winning streak and I gained 62 points -- did not mean to imply any cause and effect beyond the fact that all the rating adjustments were positive.

Hmmmmm OK. I understand............!

Whatever.

So you mean that "it seems to us" that the BKR will increase more after a winning streak, than if we won without any streak, so we are wrong.......

But that's not what alanback says: He says that the increasement WITH a winning streak is higher than that of without any winning streak.......
While you say that if you win 5 games in a row (=8+8+8+8+8) then you will have (obviously) more points than 4 wins and 1 lose (=8+8+8+8-8). But this is not what we are saying here..........

Chessmaster1000: No bonus for a streak.

A winning strike means you have done well lately, and the rating reflects that.

But the individual adjustments is the BKR itself! So after you complete a winning strike you have a bonus......?
And what are all these 8's mean.......?

The < was automaticly inserted because of the >...

<8+8+8+8+8 > 8+8-8-8+8
The individual adjustments have nothing to do with the current history, but the sum is higher after a winning streak.

Hmm OK, but i thought that the way your(our) BKR change, is based only on the current opponent's BKR and not on the "history" of the previous opponents you played......
Fencer can you verify that a winning strike increases the normal BKR's increasement of a win......?

Chessmaster1000: No mystery. If you win several games in a row, your rating goes up more than if you win some, lose some . . . It also helps that I have been playing some excellent players, including yourself!

wayney: (Still mad about me (because i didn't play quick our game).....?)
I don't support that! I support that i'm at the same level with the best players.........Not above or below........
Perhaps i'm wrong of course......

alanback OK lets suppose what you said is true. But why? The rating page Braiking supposedly based, doesn't give any bonus for winning streaks.....So what is happening it's a mystery..........

alanback: very nice.
Maybe you should try playing Chessmaster.
He is self proclaimed best player in the world

Winning streak update: 13 straight over 8 days, a 62 point gain and first place!

Blackadder Mr K: That's one thing we all can agree on ;-)

grenv
This is even to silly to talk about,,,

Blackadder Mr K: Hey, if you don't like analysis why bother even reading this board at all? Take your anger management issues to the "silly arguments" board.

alanback:
No , I don`t do the same statement regarding chess but I don`t like a game to be analysed to it`s death,,,
But why read analysis ?
I do try to read all because it`s fun to get angry !

Ah, but many roll outs show that making the 2 point is virtually equal in single matches, and better when playing for a gammon.
It suffers from possibly leading to a gammon for either side so running is best if you want to avoid a gammon.

"24-18 13-9" along with "24-14" are the best choices in single game matches. Perhaps the best is the first but i almost always prefer the second. I'm a runner at 64.......

BUT when you are behind with 8-2 for example in a 9 point match or you need to cover a gap, then you should make the 2 point and try to get a prime. There is not other choice......So here since there are no gammons, making the 2 point is something not so desirable.......

Chessmaster1000: Ok. Just as interesting is what is the best opening play with 6-4? It's not that clear cut as some would believe.

No my choice is not to make the 3 point! That would be a small(perhaps a little larger than small) mistake. I just asked as a quiz which is better. The best is "13-8 24-21" with "13-8 13-10" being a little behind. Making the point on 3 is clearly the 3d choice.....

Many novice people think that making points inside our board is always good, but there are many examples(the above was one) that this is wrong.

And even worse there is the famous Magriel's 53 starting play with "13-10 13-8" which is now believed to be worse than making the 3-point. I could say that although Magriel's recommendation is too close, making the point is stronger for various reasons and with less disadvantages.....

And even more worse, is that there were (perhaps there are) players that were slotting at the 5 point with a starting 53!?!? A huge mistake in my opinion. OK the five point is the five point but if you get hitted then you have nothing......And you have to hit again as an advanced anchor on 5 is waiting for your opponent, altough this should not be the main concern about the game.......

Pedro Martínez: I think we've come up with the top 2 choices, along with Chessmaster's making the 3 point. Which is best though? Probably close.

We haven't considered the match score either.

Blackadder Mr K: Would you make the same statement regarding chess? Backgammon can be analyzed just as chess can -- only backgammon is more interesting (to me) because of the random factor. Personally, I don't have a lot of patience with analysis; but some folks enjoy it, and I understand why.

There's an easy way not to get tired of analysis -- don't read it!

Chessmaster1000: I'd play 13-8 24-21

Chessmaster1000:
I get so tired,,,
Why not play for the sake of the game ?
Why keep on calculating all the time = boring game.
Sorry that I spoked I must learn to keep my big mouth shout,,,

Chessmaster1000: i would play 13-10 13-8. How'd I do?

BIG BAD WOLF:
Here is something on topic:
Both players have a 31 at their starting roll in a Backgammon game and both make the 5 point of course....
The next roll is 53 for the player on turn. Should he make his 3 point or............?

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redsales: Whoever could that be prolonging the game? Shouldn't that be grounds for expulsion from the site?