Iamon lyme: No. In America maybe.... your laws are all enforced so I believe.

But in the UK, all acts and statutes ....


""As common law comes from basic human morals if you’re considerate to everyone and respect their equal rights, don’t cause harm, injury or loss or fraud in any of your contracts you won’t break common law. Until a true crime has been committed we are all equal in the eyes of common law. As we are all equal, authority can only be gained through consent which in theory forms a contract, without that nobody can claim to have any more rights than you. If they try and take them by force that doesn’t make them authority but an enemy, unless you submit and then you have consented. Statute law is created by the government in the form of legislation and the only way this can possibly operate while it’s a common law country is through consent. Instead of being based on principle, statutes are based on words that can be added to, changed or removed. Statutes are legislated rules of society and are loosely described as law only because they are given the power of law by the consent of the governed, as it is a common law country and everyone is equal that means you. No one can consent for you on your behalf without your consent. Some would say the government can give statues the power of law because they represent the people but if you didn’t vote or voted for a different party or didn’t even put your details to register to vote, how can they claim to lawfully represent you. They can’t say the simple fact of you being in the country is consent because it is a common law country.""

"The fundamental law system of this country is common law which is based on principles rather than words. The source of common law is pure natural human nature, unwritten law or “gods” law."

""The distinction between a law and a statute is that a law applies equally to us all but statutes can be made to favour one sector of society over others, for example, people with disabilities are given preferential parking privileges (which is fair enough) and politicians have given themselves special dispensations re their expenses which the rest of us do not have (which is outrageous).

- There is a compulsion to obey laws. Laws defend our freedoms and liberties and through them we live in peace and harmony with our neighbours. Failure to comply with laws would render an individual an outlaw. If you do not respect the law then it can afford you no protection.

- Obeying statutes is voluntary i.e. with our consent. Any individual can withdraw their consent to being governed (controlled) by the statutes of a society. This might involve their exclusion from that society and the loss of benefits, but when the imposition of the liabilities outweighs the benefits, then that might be a price worth paying. The choice is and should be yours.

- Consent must be given by the individual and not by a collective on behalf of the individual – this would be dictatorship by the majority. There is no freedom in having to do whatever you are told. Each individual must have the absolute right to give and withhold their consent. This is the basis of our constitution – individual freedoms.

- Government is elected into ‘office’ not ‘power’ as they frequently like to claim.""

>>>>>>>>>....... As one who hates government I'd thought you'd love this sort of thing. :P

(V): "the freeman movement in Canada seems to be gaining respect from some Canadian policemen"

(V): "................Understand?"

Uh huh. So what does it mean when someone declares he will ONLY abide by and honor common law? How is that different... or is it a meaningless proclamation?

In other words, what law is he trying to avoid being held accountable for?

Iamon lyme:

Simple explanation...

" Common Law was established by Alfred the Great, who reigned from 871-899AD. He compiled the laws and customs of the nation into the "Liber Judicialis," based on the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. Alfred's son, Edward, declared

To all who are charged with the administration of public affairs I give the express command that they show themselves in all things to be just judges precisely as in the Liber Judicialis it is written; nor shall any of them fear to declare the common law freely and courageously.

In contradiction to the Common Law, the Civil Law of Rome prevailed in continental Europe. When William the Conqueror invaded in 1066, he brought with him jurists and clerics steeped in the principles of Roman civil law. Our ancient laws and customs withstood the shock, and remained without any serious amendment. Common Law includes the Charter of Liberties, which makes the Monarch subject to the law, the 1102 Synod of Westminster, which abolished slavery in England, the 1627 Petition of Right, which granted the right to criticise the government without fear of arrest, as well as Magna Carta and the Declaration of Right. Common Law defends property rights and rights to self defence.

Many of our greatest constitutional documents are Common Law documents. These are not Acts of Parliament. Their principles cannot be repealed by Parliament, and when our Monarch swore to uphold the "laws and customs" of the people of the United Kingdom at her Coronation, those "laws and customs" include Common Law."
.......

"In the year 1215 the first of our constitutional rights were set down on paper, it was called the Magna Carta, this was basically an oath from the crown (King or Queen) to uphold the rights of the people set down in it and to look after the peoples best interests, in return for the crowns promise to the people they agreed to be ruled by the crown, so it was a contract between crown and people basically, and it became the law.
The crown had to uphold the rights and common law as did the people, not to cause death, harm, or loss to another, or be fraudulent in your contracts (in other words be honest and true).

In 1689 the bill of rights was set down on paper, this basically sealed all the rights given in the Magna Carta plus a few more, both documents contain our UK common law written down and formed our law.

These two documents are the main fundamental parts of our UK constitution, yes we do actually have one, many claim that the UK has no written constitution, this is not true. We have the most respected constitution in the world, it is the basis of the constitutions of the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India.

Rather than being one written document we have several that make up the UK constitution, the primary of which is the Magna Carta and the 1689 bill of rights. (the freeman movement in Canada seems to be gaining respect from some Canadian policemen) Part of both the Magna Carta and the 1689 bill of rights states that they cannot be repealed because they are such well made laws and rights! "

................Understand?

Oh come on... the tickets are free. It's a free ride!

ROTFLMAO!!

Hey, I have free tickets for anyone wanting to ride on the Obama bus. Who wants a free ticket?

I was flipping through channels on TV, and caught the tail end of a news story. This was less than an hour ago...

Obama is standing on a stage in front of a microphone, and judging from the look on his face his audience is less than happy with him. I tuned in just in time to hear a reporter say something about a scandal, and then she finished with "... and the president was unapologetic about investigating members of the press."


Members of the press? Seriously? The people who helped get him on the bus, and then helped him stay on the bus... and now he's throwing THEM under the bus?

(V): Okay, NOW I get it... I think.

It doesn't matter what the lawgivers and rule makers say, you can elect to ignore any law you don't like if it doesn't specifically fall under the heading of "common law". It's either that, or you agree with the purists who have decided they will only honor common law.

That's it, isn't it. It has to be. That's the only thing that makes sense...


Awww crap, and there's the rub... it makes sense!!

(V): Okay, I get it now... this is one of YOUR rules. Right? Like the one that says you may not talk to feminists if you're not a feminist?

Is that it? Please... I don't want to call in a team of lawyers! Don't you know how expensive that can be?

Just tell me!!!

(V): "Maybe we should have Bieber busted for smoking weed in the UK for being such an annoying idiot..."

Spoken like a true liberal.

"But that would break his common law right, even though it's illegal."

I see. His common law right is illegal... or did you mean it's illegal to break his common law right? No, that can't be it... that would be like saying it's against the law to break the law. I need my lawyer to help me with this... but then he might need to call in his lawyer to help him.

Q: How many lawyers does it take to untangle this mess?

A: None. It can't be done.

Iamon lyme: Or just revenge.... like plebgate.

Maybe we should have Bieber busted for smoking weed in the UK for being such an annoying idiot... But that would break his common law right, even though it's illegal.

You need to watch "Yes minister" dude.

(V): Iamon lyme: "Is it?"

"... Please, I need to know!! ;P"


No V, it's not a scandal. The president is only saying it was wrong to target conservatives because they got caught doing it. After all, what's wrong with politically motivated witch hunts? Everyone does it, right? There... feel better now? Good.

Iamon lyme: Is it?

Will the whole of the White House have to retire to Cuba?

Will the shop down the road run out of Cuban cigars???!!!???

... Please, I need to know!! ;P

Wow.... It beets the tax fraud.. ... sorry, targeting of innocent mutilnationals in by the UK government.

Billions of revenue and paying just £6 million in tax.

.. it such a small story man. .... *sniff*

(V): "Well if they have nothing to hide... what's the problem...."

And if liberals have nothing to explain, then why is it a scandal? If they've done nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about.

.. or is it that persecution 'chip'?

"I'll give you a hint. This most recent scandal involves the IRS targeting conservatives and conservative groups, such as the Tea Party."

Well if they have nothing to hide... what's the problem.... or is that persecution 'chip'?


... Wow. They can be like Jesus and turn the other cheek!!

Is that it?

Iamon lyme:
.........God might have sneezed and that might have formed the first clump of material that formed the Earth...

"By the way, seeing as how you've mentioned the Tea Party, I haven't heard a peep out of you about the left wing establishment's most recent scandal. Nothing to say about that?"

I've not heard a peep about either in a while. Except via your gates...

... btb.. Is it big? Is it like the shenanigans of one MP (who was on "I'm a celebrity, get me out of here" wants to run for the dual vote next election?

Will it kill Kenny again?

... Sorry, it's "Question Time" night.. a rather satirical (supposedly straight) show at which MP's blame each other and avoid answering anything... with two peeps on the ends... one left and one right. ... .... ...

Rather like those two mice in a certain Zen story... strawberries!! :)

(V): I'll give you a hint. This most recent scandal involves the IRS targeting conservatives and conservative groups, such as the Tea Party.

Remember Joe the Plumber? He embarrassed the president by asking him a question, and so one of Obamas minions investigated him. Of course, the president always disavows any knowledge of what these people are doing... you know, like the message sent to the Mission Impossible Team, and then the tape disintegrates into smoke so there is no evidence of it.

But Obama's mission impossible team keeps screwing up. They're always leaving evidence behind, and Obama is not very convincing when he say he don't know nuthin'...

Nope, I just the prez folks, I don't know nuthin' bout no shenanigans... hell, I don't even know what a shenanigan IS!!

Yobama is starting to sound like Joe the Vice President.

(V): "... Think about it!!"

About what? You mean about that laundry list of "everyone does it" you just now posted? Have liberals have been backed into a corner AGAIN? What did they do this time? I can't keep up with all of their shenanigans... it's like every other day it's some new thing.

By the way, seeing as how you've mentioned the Tea Party, I haven't heard a peep out of you about the left wing establishment's most recent scandal. Nothing to say about that?

Iamon lyme: Fear mongering we consider part of the way America is now. The NRA, Tea Party, Christians, Left, Right.

It's just who you guys are.... America is known for it's paranoia and double standards. Yep!! Hence that line in "Iron Sky" when the US President is called on the fact they have an armed spaceship in orbit ..."We lied, we always lie. So what!"

"and cannot deny what they have been doing, then they will say everyone does it. hmmmmmm.... why does that sound familiar? Where have I heard that before?"

You, loads of people... Prime Ministers Question Time, WWF show, Church, Scientologists, the government, a reality show, Jeremy Kyle, the Daily Mail?????? :P

"AND our output. I sneezed this morning. It impacted the planet and forever changed the course of human evolution.."

.... the sea is made up of water molecules of a 3 atoms. Do you think though.... God might have sneezed and that might have formed the first clump of material that formed the Earth...

... Think about it!!

If you have no goofy relatives, it doesn't mean your relatives don't, uh... have goofy relatives.

I always face West whenever I fart, so as to not interfere with the earths natural air flow, but yesterday something in the South caught my eye and...

Well, anyway... my apologies to all the people of the great state of Washington. It won't happen again.

(V): Most people drop their heads when they sneeze. Not me. If I didn't look up everytime I sneezed, I could easily blow myself out into space.

(V): "As for climate change... we need to be aware of our input as a race."

AND our output. I sneezed this morning. It impacted the planet and forever changed the course of human evolution... for the better. Thank goodness! I was afraid I might have blown the earth off course and into the depths of space.

(V): "The left is responsible for fear of pregnancy? Constant fear mongering...
Now it's the left, not the women!?!"

Stop hiding behind the women.

Left wing fear mongering is common knowledge in the states. Conservatives are always calling them on it and liberals are always denying it. But whenever liberals are backed into a corner, and cannot deny what they have been doing, then they will say everyone does it. hmmmmmm.... why does that sound familiar? Where have I heard that before?

hmmmmmm?

If we are talking about the end of the world... Why are so many religious people forecasting it??

Is it purely as a means to create a congregation of people afraid of their God and fleece them? Or just a tax dodge??

Iamon lyme: ..... The left is responsible for fear of pregnancy? Constant fear mongering...

Now it's the left, not the women!?!

As for climate change... we need to be aware of our input as a race. We've already changed much of the natural world... That's a fact. Ignore the extremists on that subject on all levels, whether left or right. ;)

(V): [ ""or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat.""

No mention of the mans responsibility. ]


Read it again. Where do you see me excluding men from the picture? You're reading more into this than is there. I'll wager at least half (if not most) of all abortion advocates are probably men. I'm talking about men who want to get their jollies, but not be tied down financially or personally to any woman. The motivation for these men to embrace abortion and sound their trumpets as champions of womens rights is actually nothing more than self serving hedonism.

But you keep missing the point. I was referring to constant fear mongering by the left. Like fear of global warming, which could be followed later by fear of global cooling (I wouldn't put it passed them), or fear of pregnancy... and we all know what fearful and monstrous things pregnancy can lead to, right? CHILDREN!! Ahhhhhhh, be afraid! Be very afraid! Be afraid of.... Children!!!

There are supposed to be other things we are to be afraid of, but at the moment I can't seem to recall what they are. I'm so frozen with fear I can't remember!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!

""or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat.""

No mention of the mans responsibility.

"Do you think women are stupid, and all you have to do is to say someone blames them and they will all automatically believe you?"

Uh? I'm talking to you!! You're not making sense.

(V): "N' what are you blaming me for?"

I'm blaming you for blaming me for blaming women. This has all come from you, dude. The only one playing the blame game here has been you... and you're still doing it. Do you think women are stupid, and all you have to do is to say someone blames them and they will all automatically believe you?

Iamon lyme: Hey... Dude. I'm only asking you to clarify yourself, as some items are not clear. But you seem to be just blaming women.

You blame Feminists. ... sorry, I missed that period of equal rights being called for.

"And by the way, calling abortion birth control is like calling genocide population control. I don't care how clever you think you are, or how you try to sugar coat abortion... it is what it is."

Wow... Heavy Dude, do you think you could use less extreme talk. It don't make your argument bigger.

N' what are you blaming me for?

Your reactions??

(V): "Please... stop with the stereotyping of women as being the only ones in the loop re birth control."

So how do propose I stop doing what I haven't done? You keep pulling words out of thin air, and then talk as though they are my words. Why do you do that? Please... stop making stuff up and claiming I've said things I've never said to fit with your stereotyping of me.

And by the way, calling abortion birth control is like calling genocide population control. I don't care how clever you think you are, or how you try to sugar coat abortion... it is what it is.

(V): "I'm not saying all women will regret it, and many of them will buy into the kind of response I'm anticipating from you about this... I'm no longer a liberal, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten how liberals 'reason'."

[ That doesn't even make sense ]

Oh, so you're all about making sense now? Next time inform of these changes before I answer, not after. Okay?

(V): "Ok.... Pretty much everyone agrees it's not nice. But you can't blame the women..."

I don't blame the women. I blame you.

"...especially in a country like yours where in many areas 'men rule the roost'."

Yeah, back in the olden days when men ruled the roost. Pfft


"Tell that to feminists who say women do all the work."

[ I'm not a feminist so that's irrelevant. ;P ]

You can't talk to feminists because you're not a feminist? Is that one of your rules or theirs?

"Or do you believe conservatives don't have abortions?"

Are you talking about the men or the women, or both?

"or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat."

And if as in some families the man says no contraception.. baby comes along... have an abortion or else.

"I was a jerk with women, but at that time I saw myself as being a 'nice guy'."

Is that your way of explaining why you put all the blame on the women?

"Tell that to feminists who say women do all the work."

I'm not a feminist so that's irrelevant. ;P

"I'm not saying all women will regret it, and many of them will buy into the kind of response I'm anticipating from you about this... I'm no longer a liberal, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten how liberals 'reason'."

That doesn't even make sense.

"I believe abortion is bad. So?"

Ok.... Pretty much everyone agrees it's not nice. But you can't blame the women, especially in a country like yours where in many areas 'men rule the roost'.

Or do you believe conservatives don't have abortions?

(V): You assumed I regreted my political past. I told you I don't have regrets about that. The regrets I feel are more personal. I was a jerk with women, but at that time I saw myself as being a 'nice guy'. I've been forgiven by a few of them, and some of them have even told me it wasn't all that bad... even so I can't help but feel regret for the things I did and said.

Women who have had miscarriages will feel badly about it, even though they have done nothing wrong. So I can only imagine how some women who have had abortions might feel about that later on, when the reality of what they have done begins to sink in. I'm not saying all women will regret it, and many of them will buy into the kind of response I'm anticipating from you about this... I'm no longer a liberal, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten how liberals 'reason'.

Anyway, there's no point in my responding to your response before you've responded, so I'll just have to wait for it.

(V): "The way you talk about women (or a couple) wanting an abortion is bad."

I believe abortion is bad. So? If you want to hear uplifting warm and fuzzy stories about abortion then talk to someone else... I have nothing good to say about it.

"Men have been changing nappies, dealing with early feeds for decades.."

Tell that to feminists who say women do all the work.

"What about men abstaining?"

What about it? Are you for it or against it?

Iamon lyme: Then stop talking like you do. The way you talk about women (or a couple) wanting an abortion is bad.

It's a matter of interpretation of how you are stating your opinion.

"or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat."

You know it's the 21st century... Men have been changing nappies, dealing with early feeds for decades.. What about men abstaining?

"Bringing up a story of kidnapping and rape and trying to link that to what I was saying was childish. Grow up."

"And this will be my LAST post on this topic."

Make your mind up will ya!! ;)

(V): Okay, I'll summarize this for you... and feel free to disagree.

You said I'm blaming women for being pregnant. If women never got pregnant you wouldn't be here to claim I blame women for being pregnant, and I wouldn't be here to see you blaming me for blaming them for being pregnant. It's a ridiculous statement. Unless you meant something else or can show me where I'm "blaming women for being pregnant" your claim is less than meaningless.

I explained why scandals are often tagged with the word "gate". If you disagree with my 'historical interpretation' then please enlighten me.

Bringing up a story of kidnapping and rape and trying to link that to what I was saying was childish. Grow up.

Iamon lyme: no. read back.

*<(:oPfft

(V): I apologize for distracting you from the points you were making, would you mind reiterating those points? If you've forgotten what they were that's okay, we can just move on to your next point. *<(:oP

Iamon lyme: Ok... Maybe then you'll get back to the points you keep avoiding then through all these misdirection games you like to play ;P

But hey... your a conservative and it's ok for you guys.. At least the American Conservatives... not any other conservatives as they are not the same!! :)

(V): And what? Do you really need for someone to explain this to you? If those women cannot watch TV or listen to the radio or go online or go anywhere without being scrutinized or talked about, then the public has effectively made them prisoners in their own homes. And this will be my LAST post on this topic.

Iamon lyme: And?

(V): They've been asking the public for privacy you mor... er, I mean you champion of womens rights. They've been freed from the troll who held them hostage, and now they want the public to leave them alone and stop hounding them.

Iamon lyme: Nope.

"There was a time when no self respecting man would resort to that kind of tactic... but times have changed haven't they."

No. I've seen it used here by conservatives all the time. But they say it's justified... so I'm feeling a little hypocrisy in such a statement.

"Liberals preach the same message to men, that screwing around is your God given right and you shouldn't have to suffer any consequences as a result."

Do they? I remember such talk in the Bible.... was that written by a Liberal?

"But what is truly laughable is the fear of no longer being able to behave like a child, but actually being expected to take on adult responsibilities. I'm talking about people who ARE adults... or at least appear to be."

Point!
A mature body does not mean a mature mind.

"I was making fun of people who act as though pregnant women have malignant tumors growing inside of them instead of children. That's sick, and something is seriously wrong with people who regard their own flesh and blood in that way."

... Point proven.
.....There was a time when no self respecting man would resort to that kind of statement, but times have changed haven't they.

Artful Dodger: I don't pull weeds anymore. I just spritz them with weed killer. I spritz the grass too, because the ground is mostly small chunks of bark and bark dust mixed with dirt. I think the previous owner fixed it up so there would be nothing growing out there. It's a small fenced in backyard, and the only thing I let grow in it is a patch of crocus that started growing last year. I don't know where the seeds came from, and I'm pretty sure there were no bulbs in the ground, but there was a powerful wind storm last year that blew all sorts of stuff in and it swirled around in a circle. And in that circle is where I have about a four square foot area of crocus growing.

This year the same patch of crocus is there, and a tiny bird has decided to make a nest under the leaves in the crocus... on the ground. I didn't know there were any birds around here that did that, I thought they all made their nests in trees and other high places. It's funny, the only bird that isn't afraid to share my backyard with me is a very small one.

(V): [ But it gets you hopefully to stop blaming women for being pregnant and using bad arguments yourself regarding pregnancy... it takes two to tango. I don't think we have many virgin births these days!!

That was the intent. ]


No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about. There was a time when no self respecting man would resort to that kind of tactic... but times have changed haven't they.

If you're not buying what I'm not selling, and insist on responding to what I'm not saying, then all you are doing is making political speeches. You don't need me for that... any imaginary opponent saying what you want him to say can fill that void for you.

I wasn't blaming women for being pregnant... that doesn't even make sense. If I was blaming women for anything, it would be for believing the inane idea foisted by liberals about their right to have sex without dealing with consequences or responsibilities. Liberals preach the same message to men, that screwing around is your God given right and you shouldn't have to suffer any consequences as a result.

Since you don't seem to understand what I was saying... I was making fun of people who act as though pregnant women have malignant tumors growing inside of them instead of children. That's sick, and something is seriously wrong with people who regard their own flesh and blood in that way. But what is truly laughable is the fear of no longer being able to behave like a child, but actually being expected to take on adult responsibilities. I'm talking about people who ARE adults... or at least appear to be.