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30. декември 2007, 22:07:28
Ewe 
Относно: Re: Rottweiler & a pit bull
anastasia: yes these are very tradgic sad stories, Id never recover from anything like that happening...to lose the life of a child...shudder!!!

I love dogs but I would never ever leave my kids alone with one, I dont even leave them alone with our cat!!

30. декември 2007, 04:08:47
anastasia 
Относно: Poms kill too
Променен от anastasia (30. декември 2007, 04:10:00)



Small dog kills 6-week-old girl in California


October 9, 2000
Web posted at: 6:17 AM EDT (1017 GMT)



LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities in Los Angeles said.



The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.



The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.



The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.



Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.



"Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed," Solis said


30. декември 2007, 04:00:53
anastasia 
Относно: Re: Rottweiler & a pit bull
Ewe:

Chris Window, from the Rottweiler Club, said it was very uncommon for attacks of this nature to take place.

But he said young children should never be left alone with any breed of large dog.

"All breeds of dogs are animals. They do revert to animal instincts. If a dog is confronted with a situation they are not used to, they can react unexpectedly."<!-- E BO -->


 I must say that is very sad,when any death occurs like that,it is sad....I also must say I am very pleased that they included this last part with the article...ANY DOG CAN AND WILL BITE.


 Why was a young child carrying a baby around the dog anyways....kids should NEVER be left alone with any dog.



30. декември 2007, 00:17:37
Ewe 
Относно: Rottweiler & a pit bull
poor little baby boy, the family must be devastated....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7163696.stm

28. декември 2007, 17:42:51
srnity 
Относно: And One To Smile At :)
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/net/20060329/capt.b0bf7f5ed90151ec4ca42c0e7e8437c9.pjpeg?x=345&y=259&sig=41mo5naHA5d.se_8LhyncA--

A cat in Connecticut has been issued a restraining order after attacking at least a half dozen people in the Sunset Circle neighborhood.

28. декември 2007, 17:39:09
srnity 
Относно: And How Beautiful A Creature Was She - Poor Thing
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20071228/capt.sge.nve80.281207014357.photo00.photo.default-379x512.jpg?x=255&y=345&sig=rB7nvw9wsh61LVH0nrIE5A--

This undated handout from the San Francisco Zoo(SFZ) shows female Siberian tiger, named Tatiana, which managed to escape from its enclosure and maul three people, killing one of them. US media report that the tiger may have been helped out of its den by one of the victims.

28. декември 2007, 17:36:15
srnity 
Относно: Why? Why? Why? I just don't get it.......What A Waste of a Life.......
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071228/capt.4ca6c192ef8f4e5cb69aa8cb8ea0febe.dead_tiger_ny204.jpg?x=400&y=301&sig=W2g7I_sxC3n_jed7dEG4Rg--

In this undated photo released by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, the body of a dead Tiger is shown at the Dallas Zoo in Dallas. A veterinarian at the Dallas Zoo performed a necropsy Thursday, Dec. 27, 2007, on the female tiger which was found shot to death near an apartment complex Christmas day. The tiger did not belong to the zoo and was believed to have been someone's pet.

28. декември 2007, 17:27:42
srnity 
Относно: And On A Much Better "Feline" Note ... What A Cat :)
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071227/capt.c7692305e690470daab3ead07e39efff.observatory_cat_retires_bx401.jpg?x=400&y=252&sig=WgSkcYa9_iJig7nzAgt6Og--

This 2005 photo provided by the Mount Washington Observatory shows the housecat Nin atop Mount Washington, N.H. The cat was the mascot for Mount Washington Observatory for a dozen years. Nin officially retired Wednesday, Dec. 26, 2007, and is moving off the mountain to live with Diane Holmes and Mike Pelchat, both rangers at Mount Washington State Park, at their home in Gorham, N.H.

28. декември 2007, 16:59:36
srnity 
Относно: How Could Somebody (Anybody) Do This To Their Pet?
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20071219/capt.sge.lrl52.191207065514.photo00.photo.default-512x403.jpg?x=400&y=314&sig=JeftmZQs1gieavk5tpH1lg--

A cat hissing at the camara, in a pet shop. When a pet cat was taken to a veterinary clinic in Australia with dilated pupils, a racing heart and agitated movements, it turned out to be high on cocaine and other drugs left around after a party. It recovered.

28. декември 2007, 01:22:05
anastasia 
Относно: notice the date..this is VERY recent

This is right off of the ASPCA website link...this just shows NO dog breed is safe!


October 10, 2007
CLEVELAND, OHIO: ALL ARE INVITED TO HEAR ASPCA LOBBYIST SPEAK AT BSL CONFERENCE


A dog attacks and legislators act—and your dog could be next! Know the facts regarding dog attacks and what public policies do and don’t work. Join BSL (breed-specific legislation) expert Debora Bresch of the ASPCA’s Legislative Services team at this canine legislative conference on October 25.

Breed-Specific Legislation Workshop
October 25, 2007, 5:30 P.M. to 8:00 P.M.

Conducted by Debora M. Bresch, Esq., ASPCA Legislative Services

Location: The Shoreby Club, 40 Shoreby Drive, Bratenahl, OH

Breed-specific legislation is not only about pit bulls. In cities across the country, many different breeds have been regulated or considered for regulations, including some that might surprise you:


  • Australian cattle dogs (aka blue heelers)
  • German shepherds
  • golden retrievers
  • Labrador retrievers
  • pugs
  • all terriers
  • all dogs over 100 pounds
  • </ul>


17. декември 2007, 13:38:03
The Col 
Относно: Re: Why Crocodile's Don't Make Good Pets .........
anastasia: I remember seeing Ingrid of PETA take an escaped turkey(from the Butterball factory)to a retreat that sounds similar.The underground exotic animal trade is pretty disgusting............Have you heard what Mike Huckabee's son did to a stray dog?

http://dogblog.dogster.com/2007/12/06/presidential-candiate-mike-huckabees-son-david-tortured-and-killed-stray-dog-in-1998-charges-never-file-and-huckabee-not-punished/

17. декември 2007, 01:09:34
anastasia 
Относно: Re: Why Crocodile's Don't Make Good Pets .........
Jim Dandy: wild animals should stay wild...there is a park fairly close to me that takes in such animlas as lions,tigers,panthers,camels,etc...that people kept as "pets" some of these big cats are blind,deformed,crippled because their owners kept them in crates that are to small for my dogs!! There should be more laws against such things happening.

16. декември 2007, 23:03:55
The Col 
Относно: Re: Why Crocodile's Don't Make Good Pets .........
srnity: You raise an excellent point.While I can see both sides of the pit bull debate,am I wrong in assuming that dangerous snakes are allowed as pets?
I'm not saing the shouldn't be,but I've seen more than a few news reports of dangerous snakes being lost and showing up under a house or something,hypocritical?

15. декември 2007, 23:09:38
srnity 
Относно: Re: Why Crocodile's Don't Make Good Pets .........
Jim Dandy: ROFLMBO - they can have ALL the crocodile "pets" they want, as for me.....not so much.....

15. декември 2007, 04:31:23
The Col 
Относно: Re: Why Crocodile's Don't Make Good Pets .........
srnity: You are aware that there are a whole bunch of CAAS members who have been waiting for months to jump the first poster who stereotypes crocodiles,don't you?

15. декември 2007, 02:44:29
srnity 
Относно: Why Crocodile's Don't Make Good Pets .........
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071203/i/r81489243.jpg?x=314&y=345&sig=txVnqmpWchiuRH2hzuNk4w--

RNPS PICTURES OF THE YEAR - A crocodile at a zoo in the southern Taiwan city of Kaohsiung holds the forearm of a zoo veterinarian in between its teeth, April 11, 2007. The crocodile bit off the arm of the zoo veterinarian treating it, an official reported.

14. декември 2007, 14:35:20
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks
Gemina:

Ideally, this breed-neutral scheme should include the following:


  • <img>Enhanced enforcement of dog license laws, with adequate fees to augment animal control budgets and surcharges on ownership of unaltered dogs to help fund low-cost pet sterilization programs in the communities in which the fees are collected. To ensure a high licensing rate, Calgary, Canada—its animal control program funded entirely by license fees and fines—imposes a $250 penalty for failure to license a dog over three months old.
  • Enhanced enforcement of leash/dog-at-large laws, with adequate penalties to ensure that the laws are taken seriously and to augment animal control funding.
  • Dangerous dog laws that are breed-neutral and focus on the behavior of the individual dog, with mandated sterilization and microchipping (or another permanent identification) of dogs deemed dangerous, and options for mandating muzzling, confinement, adult supervision, training, owner education and, in aggravating circumstances—such as when the owners cannot adequately control the dog or where the dog causes unjustified injury—euthanasia. In Multnomah County, Oregon, a breed-neutral ordinance imposing graduated penalties on dogs and owners according to the seriousness of the dogs’ behavior has reduced repeat injurious bites from 25 percent to 7 percent.
  • Laws that hold dog owners financially accountable for failure to adhere to animal control laws, as well as civilly and criminally liable for unjustified injuries or damage caused by their dogs. Calgary has reduced reported incidents of aggression by 56 percent, and its bite incidents by 21 percent, by requiring owners of dogs who have displayed dog aggression or human aggression to pay fines ranging from $250 to $1500.
  • Laws that prohibit chaining or tethering, coupled with enhanced enforcement of animal cruelty and animal fighting laws. Lawrence, Kansas, has significantly reduced dog fighting and cruelty complaints by enacting an ordinance prohibiting tethering a dog for over one hour.
  • Laws that mandate the sterilization of shelter animals and make low-cost sterilization services widely available
  • </ul>


13. декември 2007, 00:06:59
Gemina 
Относно: bsl sucks
I am going to agree with Anastasia on the banning of pits. I have a dog that most people are scared of (Rottweiler) and would go to the ends of the earth to protect him. I have heard bad things about Rots and have defended him since the day he came home. He will protect me if needed but never have I feared for myself or my 4 children from him. If we are to judge Pits on some bad moments and ban them for it then humans should be banned as well for the ones that don't behave well. You can't take a few incidents and lump it into a whole when the good so outweighs the bad.

12. декември 2007, 19:38:22
anastasia 
Относно: Re:credible witness
srnity: ROTFLMAO!!!

12. декември 2007, 02:43:40
srnity 
Относно: Re:credible witness
Jim Dandy: Exactly Only animals that don't mind me rolling on top of them in their sleep if they crash on my bed or are smart enough to not sleep where I walk (stumble) thru at five am

12. декември 2007, 02:34:46
The Col 
Относно: Re:credible witness
srnity: It's probably best you avoid the long-eared jerboa,one mis step could cause an international incident a good breeze and it could take flight

12. декември 2007, 02:21:36
srnity 
Относно: Re:credible witness
Jim Dandy: LOL - me and "small" pets don't mix (I do things like step on them in the morning) - I need pets with some girth (they can take being stepped on in their sleep every now and then)

12. декември 2007, 02:07:20
The Col 
Относно: Re:credible witness
srnity: congrats on the raise,I wonder if it would afford a long-eared jerboa,those things are too cute for words,hopping around with dumbo ears

12. декември 2007, 01:57:46
srnity 
Относно: Re:credible witness
Jim Dandy: ROFLMBO - sure, why not I just got evaluated (and got a raise) at one of my odd-jobs and was told that they LOVE how clean I keep the floors, etc. - HaHa - they should see my house on a bad week

12. декември 2007, 01:53:25
srnity 
Относно: Re: First ever film of this odd creature
Jim Dandy: Awwwwwwwwwwwww - how cute are they

12. декември 2007, 00:50:22
The Col 
Относно: Re: Well, why not, we are animals too, yes? And how incredibly amazing, in my opinion :)
srnity: I've tryed that same line on my gf whenever I leave a mess.I just tell her I'm a Slobopocus(known to show contentment by leaving a mess wherever they nest)She bought it for about 5 minutes,can I use you for a credible witness?

12. декември 2007, 00:32:05
anastasia 
Относно: Re: First ever film of this odd creature
Jim Dandy: My Niki has ears that look JUST like that,LMAO!!!! (Niki's are more pointy tho,lol)

11. декември 2007, 23:20:42
The Col 
Относно: First ever film of this odd creature

11. декември 2007, 18:28:14
srnity 
Относно: Re: Well, why not, we are animals too, yes? And how incredibly amazing, in my opinion :)
And this is one of Amillia four months later, on the day she finally got to go home - I'd love to see one of her now :)

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070220/070220_preemie_vlrg_6a.widec.jpg

11. декември 2007, 18:12:48
srnity 
Относно: Well, why not, we are animals too, yes? And how incredibly amazing, in my opinion :)
Променен от srnity (11. декември 2007, 18:16:06)
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071203/i/r591114712.jpg?x=400&y=246&sig=8bLFbbjEnM.KZtN7sUVGDQ--

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/axisof/2007-FEB/Miracle.jpg


RNPS PICTURES OF THE YEAR - This handout image from October 24, 2006, shows the world's most premature living baby, Amillia Sonja Taylor's, feet held in contrast with adult hands, just after her birth at Baptist Children's Hospital in Miami, Florida. Taylor, only slightly longer than a ballpoint pen at birth was due to be sent home in the coming days from a Florida hospital after four months of neonatal intensive care, the hospital said on February 20, 2007

11. декември 2007, 18:06:47
srnity 
Относно: Just Too, Too Sad.................
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20071210/2007_12_09t230204_450x350_us_china_foodmarket.jpg?x=400&y=311&sig=MpCcKHc3uAfWE.GzzXTy7g--

Cats (top) are caged along with chickens at Qingping market in Guangzhou November 16, 2007. Scorpions scamper in bowls, water snakes coil in tanks and cats whine in cramped cages, waiting to be slaughtered, skinned and served for dinner. Welcome to the Qingping market, where everything from turtles to insects are sold alongside fowl and freshly caught fish

9. декември 2007, 18:52:24
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
Jim Dandy: The bad guys are the ones that place them in a position to fail,your right 100%...the laws enforced for animal abuse of any kind are laughable....they say they can't do much else becuase prisons are overrun with "real" criminals....ok,so be it,then give them THOUSANDS of hours of community service in shelters,MAKE them take MANDITORY classes regarding animal abuse/safety/etc.....MAke them take MANDITORY anger management and if needed drug consuling.It's not the dogs...it's the beasts at the OTHER end of the leash,the dog's are the ones being punished tho as the idiots that abuse them walk around free.Makes me sick to my stomach that people want to punish the dog.....I read summin just this morning...it said.."If you were lost,and my SAR dog was a Pit,would you stil want me to find you?" I would guess that you would...pit or no pit.

8. декември 2007, 01:43:47
The Col 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: In my opinion,the best course of action would be to be in the forefront of those bringing the sleazeball owners to justice,that would lend credability to your messege.I disagree with a defensive approach,be on the leading edge of those wanting the riff raff sorted out.The bad guys are the ones who place pit bulls in a position to fail,society just wants safety.

8. декември 2007, 01:36:42
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
Jim Dandy: I'm only 35..I have time :)

8. декември 2007, 01:21:32
The Col 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: Proving the benefits over the risks is a tall order.

8. декември 2007, 01:15:48
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
Jim Dandy: and thats excatly why they need people like me to get the word out and stand up for them.Ignorance is not bliss in this case

8. декември 2007, 01:08:31
The Col 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: I totally understand your point,but we're living in a bottom line society.You could give examples till the cows come home.One photo of a badly maimed child on the front page of the paper trumps the zillions of examples of positive behavior,that's just how society works.Some people ask why we should even risk an attack,thus the variose bans.I can see both sides of this issue

8. декември 2007, 00:46:44
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
Jim Dandy: btw...ya know I love you guys,right,lol!!

8. декември 2007, 00:45:47
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!

Jim Dandy: all dogs are created differently,that what makes them wonderful!!!! It would be silly to think ALL pitbulls are a threat just like it would be silly to ban all pitbulls.We need to get to the REAL problem and that is the idiots that abuse these dogs by fighting them.....can you tell I am weee bit passionate about bsl,lol.


 I suppose my thing is..I don't understand why people wil believe all the negative without even TRYING to get to know the positive too.


8. декември 2007, 00:32:20
The Col 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: If toy poodles had the power of a pit bull we'd all be f'd,but I digress.I don't think anyone thinks ALL pit bulls are a threat,that would be silly.It's a tough issue

8. декември 2007, 00:19:28
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
Ewe: oh amen!!! lol

8. декември 2007, 00:19:01
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!

Jim Dandy: beg your pardon hun...I didn't notice that the weiner dog was also crazed,lol....I would not go into a room with ANY crazed dog,Im passionate,not stupid,lol.


 I am not flashing credentails...I am simply asking what PERSONAL expieriance you have had with a specific breed.To me..saying all pits are mean and should be banned,not bred,gotten rid of whatever is passing judgement like saying all african americans can dance,all asians are good at math,etc,etc.If you want to make a judgment call do it because you KNOW the entire breed,as a whole,not because of stories you have seen or heard.Have you even bothered to read anything positve on the breed? Please...look at how many law enforcements are usng pits..please..look at how many therapy dogs are pits,please look at how many top honors pits take at shows,pulling compititions...please look at how many families love their pit and would hurt anyone that tried to hurt it.why should these dogs and these responsible people be the ones that are punished?? the thugs don't obey the laws as it is...what woudld bsl do??Punish the RESPONSIBLE OWNERS and THE GOOD DOGS!


 I commend you for your efforts on finding homes for animals....did you know to house every cat in the states,EACH PERSON would have to own 21...dogs would be 7...but that stat was from a few years ago so I'm sure it is a bit higher now..


7. декември 2007, 23:59:03
The Col 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: I think we're straying from the point.My example of two crazed dogs was intended purely to point out that one of the two is much more capable of causing major damage in a scenario,it wasn't a comment on pit bulls specifically any more than it was weiner dogs.............I used to visit a shelter near my old home,there was a one eyed cat who would always act as tour guide cute as a button.I would literally roll around with them for hours.I doubt my credentials compare with yours in regards to what I do for animals on a daily basis,I admire your commitment.I do provide a forum for animal adoption in my job in the communicats field coupled with a webpage showcasing a pet of the month from my local humane society.The first time I felt a small part of finding a stray a home moved me to tears.I think this topic can be discussed without anyone having to flash credentials,don't forget,the people in this conversation all love animals,we just have different views on certain topics

7. декември 2007, 23:51:52
Ewe 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: yes absolutely correct!! too many animals would be far better off without human intervention....... 

7. декември 2007, 23:42:56
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
Променен от anastasia (7. декември 2007, 23:46:27)

Ewe: no breed but the wolf exsits naturally...every domestic dog has been altered by humans


Ewe:I personally dont have anything against them, which if you understand what Im saying you will know that already. I said they should cease to breed!! BIG difference!! Yes so that breed will no longer exist!


sad you want an entire breed gone because of what man has done to it....what man fears,man destroys.


7. декември 2007, 23:17:13
Ewe 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: Thing is I DO UNDERSTAND what you are saying! Again,.....no Ive NEVER said any animals should be destroyed, I said they should cease to breed!! BIG difference!! Yes so that breed will no longer exist! It wasnt there before, it didnt happen naturally....

Yes the 'criminals' will probably go on to another breed....cross that bridge when we come to it! 

I have had some personal experience with pitbulls...some good, some bad...I personally dont have anything against them, which if you understand what Im saying you will know that already.

7. декември 2007, 23:08:07
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!

Ewe: I wasn't sure WHAT you meany Ewe,lol...if you meant the breed should be destoryed or not...but IF you ban a breed...what happens to it? It ceases to exsist.


 O.k....let me take your side of this...lets say all pits are banned...there are no more pits in the world for people to own...do you HONESTLY think that the criminals that once owned and fought them are going to just say..."oh shucks fellos..lets go home and play tic-tak,toe."??? I highly doubt it...they will find ANOTHER breed to corrupt and turn into fighters...so,let's say they pick the german sheperd...Will you then,in 20 years hate them as well and want them banned?? ok,fine...I will stop owning and training them because of others being irresponsable.....so now there are no more GSD's to own/fight,or anything else...so,now the criminals go onto yet ANOTHER breed.


 I pose the same questions to you Ewe that I posed to Jim..how many pitbulls have you had personal experiance with? How many time a week do YOU take the time to read the breed history/profile,stats...and how many times a week do you talk to real owners..the ones that love the breed for the breed,NOT the rep of having it??


7. декември 2007, 23:02:31
anastasia 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!

Jim Dandy: I have a question,would you rather be locked in a room with a crazed pit bull or a crazed weiner dog?....why is the pitbull crazed?? THAT is the attitude that pisses me off.There are VERY few dogs that I would never approach,but I do not base this on BREED.I WELCOME AGGRESSIVE dog legislation...but NOT breed specific,that is just wrong.check out the atts site...labs ratre LOWER the pits in temperment testing.


 I dont argue that larger breeds such as pits are more powerful,sure but little dogs can and do bite,often more then larger dogs..I believe it was a pomeranian (sp) that attacked and killed a baby a few years back.


100% in agreement that these dogs often fall into the wrong hands and THIS is the problem that has to be addressed......How many shelters have you voluneered at Jim Dandy? how many pitbulls have you had personal experiance with? How many time a week do YOU take the time to read the breed history/profile,stats...and how many times a week do you talk to real owners..the ones that love the breed for the breed,NOT the rep of having it??


7. декември 2007, 20:41:16
Ewe 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!
anastasia: Ive never once said any dog should be destroyed! I strongly believe in animal rights, which is exactly why I think they should NOT CONTINUE breeding certain dog breeds who could then end up being destroyed. The pit bull debate is a classic example of this!

http://From 1979 to 1998, pit-bull-type dogs and rottweilers accounted for more than half of the 238 fatal attacks on humans.24

Any dog's temperament is influenced by its breeding, its health, its socialization, and its environment.

This is a link to a Pit friendly site ......http://www.badrap.org/rescue/resources.cfm
They say Dog on Dog aggression within this breed is NORMAL....so thats bad enough for other dog owners taking their pooch for a walk!! AND ofcourse the risk to humans....

 

7. декември 2007, 20:16:32
Ewe 
Относно: Re: bsl sucks!

Jim Dandy: exactly!!

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