BIG BAD WOLF: Thankyou BBW for your explaining the situation more clearly.

Jules :It isn't over the one issue. It isn't over 10 issues. It is over his constant inability to abide by the rules in the user agreement.

How can a Mod, any Mod, Moderate members for violating a rule in the user agreement and then turn around and violate the very same user agreement because he is a Mod and "some" of his friends that think he can ignore the violations because he is a Mod and the Code of Honor, for Mods is a joke?

Members reading all this are sitting there, wondering, why should Mods not be Moderated?
Some Mods ignored the "Moderator Complaints f/s", because they apparently felt they had no need to answer to the Membership.

Take the time to go there and read all the stuff people said about him.

I say the Members have been rescued and will applaud the decision while "some" of his friends are understandably upset.


*Edited to insert "some" of his friends.

Stevie said it was OK to talk about his situation, so here it is. Normally, we would not talk about details about someone, but in this case permission was given.

The issues with Stevie as a moderator has been under review for awhile.

Mostly it has to do with language on many boards all over the BrainKing site. Most of the time when he uses foul language, he knows it is wrong and is just waiting for another moderator or Global Moderator to remove it. This is not how a moderator - someone who was picked to help represent this site should act.

The "word" in question is just the last straw. This "word" was something he just got hidden/baned for using the day before, so he KNEW it was something he should not use on a public board. Even knowing all this, he posted using this "word" on the board he moderator - I guess hoping that it would not get edited/removed since it was on a board he moderates.

His post with this "word" which he already knew there was an issue with was removed by a moderator. At this point, the discussion went on with the Global moderators - and it was basicly a "last straw" type of thing - where Stevie purposly posted this "word" already knowing that he should not post it. At this time, the Global Moderators agreed that he should not be representing this site as a moderator, and he was removed from his moderating duties.

And even though this "word", many people may not have a problem with - this is a global site so sometimes what does not bother one person can bother another. And I can see if he was not warned about it first - but he was just hidden/banned for using this same "word" the day before. So he KNEW he should not be using this word on the public boards. Again, he KNEW he should not be using that "word" on a public board.

Again, Stevie gave permission to talk about his issue.

ClayNashvilleTn: No-ones doubting that he deserved moderation. but what the moderation was for was minor. An editing/deletion of the post with a pm'd warning would have worked... The person involved does listen, and if he'd not stopped then hiding does the job, then if he'd not stopped then ban him.

The rules are there over how we moderate for a reason.

bwildman:I don't get the.........If you don't like a member because he runs rampant on BK offending, using vulgarities, belittling other members being arrogant to Mods, and you don't like those actions, and you tell that person that..........Now, all at once, "YOUR PREJUDICE" "YOU DON"T LIKE HIM" Welllllllll duhhhhhhhhh Guess why?

Using your scenario, all he has to do is make everyone upset at him and now no one can moderate him. That's exactly what he did! That's why it APPEARS that the Globs that moderated him, didn't like him.

It isn't they didn't like "HIM".

They didn't like nor accept his actions.

How long has he been here??
Is his hair blonde??
He seems like a smart man..
Yet, he still carries on..

harley: some words are worse han others.
the woird you pounced on was borderline at best. this site would not have crashed if you left that post period.
its my opinion its your dislike of him that promted you to jump in and put him on hide...which is a secondary moderation tool.

bwildman: In that case you'd have to keep on gettin gnew globs. Some members get moderated more than half a dozen times...

bwild, if there had been one other person online who could have moderated him, I would have left it to them. None of the board mods or other globals were online at that time.
I didn't remove him as moderator on my own, that was a group decision.
And the language happened BEFORE the moderating. He swore, I moderated.

ClayNashvilleTn:



If a post does not fall into the site guidelines, the moderator should:
Edit post for content if rest of the post belongs in the board.
Remove the post if none of the post belongs in the board.
Warn user IN PRIVATE about edited/removed post, and point them to guidelines if needed.
If multiple users are engaged in a flame war, a public post saying "stop" can be used.
If posting continues after a warning, the poster should be hidden for at least a few hours, possibly longer (24 hours or more).
If after being unhidden a poster continues, then a ban of the user can be used.
Moderators are free to take more strict or less strict actions as needed, but should try to follow the above guideline when possible.

the fact that you two dislike each other is exactly my point.in cases like this...a global mod who has personal issues with an individual,should not be allowed to moderate that person.any moderatio is ultimatly considered a personal attack and language is sure to follow.

bwildman: Well I didn't get to vote on it. I suspect Most members would expect the Mods to abide by it. We enforce "OUR" rules on them but think we are above rules and standards. The code of honor may be a JOKE as you refer to it, but it certainly isn't to me and several others that seem to abide by it with little trouble.

Why should there be exceptions?
Should there be exceptions because they are our friends.
Should the Members reading all this expect Mods to conduct themselves in the same manner that we demand of them?

Baited by me how? I didn't post at all, not once, before he swore. Sorry but there is no way he can say I baited him into swearing.

harley: he was baited by you.

Bluefin: When you are in cloak mode, you can no longer see what other people are doing.

(So since they can't see what you are doing - you can't see what they are doing type of thing.)

So that is why you see "disabled when you are cloaked" under some people

BIG BAD WOLF: "but I can tell you that it was more then just a "SINGLE word" that lead us to our actions."

Thing is BBW, those other words concerned only came in after the person was hidden for one word which the same moderator the other night just asked another person to edit out.

One person is being treated one way for a minor thing and another is treated differently. If the person was asked to remove the word and refused and then after being hid then carried on I could understand the actions taken.

Bluefin: I've never used cloak mode myself but I believe when you are cloaked, you lose the ability to see what uncloaked people are doing. Kind of like if we can't see you then you can't see us Thats probably what the message is you're seeing.

Bwild, I was the moderator who you say first 'took action' against the individual you're talking about.
There was nothing biased about it. He swore, I placed him on hide. Simple as that. I'd do it to any member, be they moderators of the board they swear on or someone I've never had dealings with before. I messaged him to inform him of my action.
His actions after that prompted me to take it to the other globals, as this is an individual who we've had many, many problems with and a kind of ongoing discussion.
After another discussion between us all, it was decided to remove him as moderator. It is his own actions that caused the decision to be made, and it wasn't one we made lightly or without much deliberation and he had many chances given to him first.

ClayNashvilleTn: casting the first stone?
you try to keep me from voicing my concern by saying I'm stirring trouble,and should take this conversation to a fellowship where only a few would see my concerns.
you highlight one rule.
when I wrote the code of honor...BBW changed the wording to allow grey areas.after the code was implemented by Fencer....the mods then voted to bend the code.its a joke.

I know what cloak mode is, but, what is
disabled when you are cloaked ? I see this below some of my opponets names ?

bwildman:On many occasions Globs are requested by Mods to intervene. There are a few Members/Mods that seem to delight in creating constant problems.
They go from board to board harassing, using profanity attacking fellow Mods, trying to stir needless turmoil.

The amazing thing Bwild, 70% of the members know exactly of whom your concerned about. His numerous actions of immaturity and lack of respect for numerous BK members could not continue to go unchecked. He hurt BK and offended numerous memebers and attacked them openly and without concern. He cannot ride rough shod over the members of BK and expect to have much sympathy after he had been warned time and time again by members, Mods and Globs.

He sneered at the "MODS CODE OF HONOR"

Moderator's Code Of Honour

To up hold the BrainKing.com user agreement.
To promote goodwill among the members of BrainKing.com
To set an example by which other members should follow (stay out of flame wars, no insults, etc..)
To be fair and equal to all posters of your boards (don't let friends post stay when you would normally edit/delete)
To notify the Mod Squad of any major moderating actions. This will allow all Moderators to be aware of situations in case the overflow onto other boards.

cloak and daggers....lets hide what REALLY goes on around hre,huh?

Andre Faria: it was a review,as I recall...and not one of yours.
my point is...the global mods feel it is their job to ride herd on certain individuals....and to the point of being biased in their opiions and moderating towards these individuals.

BBW....I give permission to discuss it publically, but not in pm

bwildman: Again, just that 1 word was not the reasons action was taken - there is more to the story, more which I'm not going to go into detail here because - well you are not the person involved.

If that person would like me to talk to you about the issue more, then they can let me know that and I will send you a message. Other then that, I can not get into more detail here.

bwildman: The word edited in the music board was in a normal message, or was in a review of an album? For instance, the name of one of the tracks of the album... the context of the message may be important for their decision...

BIG BAD WOLF: if BK rules were followed...we would not be having this discussion.(which by the way..Fencer can read and put in input if neccesary)
who determines if a word(used reglarly by 70%of all adults) is to be considered profanity?

ClayNashvilleTn: my experience with f/s that are intended to help make changes keeps me from wasting my time with them.
this is an issue that concerns all members...not just the "click" that joins certain fellowships.

bwildman: How are the Global Moderators run unchecked? All (Yes, ALL) the discussion made about global moderating issues are done in a board where Fencer reads and inputs when needed.

The Global Moderators do not want to run the boards, but it is our jobs to make sure the boards are ran according to BK rules.

Discussing it here is not the place. Arrangements have been made to handle such issues where those that are concerned about Complaints of Globs/Mods can observe the details of both parties and draw their own conclusions.

These type discussions do not need to be hammered out on public boards!

Please take it here?

Moderator Complaints

more huffing and puffing in my opinion.
how long will it be before every discussion board is anned by global mods? there are rules and regulations for discussion board mods...yet global mods run unchecked.
will I be removed as a moderator for posing this issue?

BIG BAD WOLF: so why dont you let these people on BK know what the swear word was???
You are making it sound like it was the worst word ever.... why not tell them the truth that it was a minor one, and one that many dont find offensive anyways

LOL it aint number 1 anymore.... belive me

bwildman: At the time that action was taken on the post, that person was the only one on-line, After more Globals came on-line, stronger action was taken. No, the simple task to edit/delete post with language problems is not something that Globals need to discuss - it is the rules of the site to not use foul language, and any moderator or Global Moderator need to follow those rules of the site.

and is a family site.. Please respect our younger members and those who enjoy this site by keeping angry and harsh topics off the MAIN boards.. expecially if there are adequate spots elsewhere to discuss ..

BIG BAD WOLF: bollocks BBW

BIG BAD WOLF: that doesnt answer my question.
why then....if you "discussed it" did the one global mod that this person has a bad history with...be selected to take action against this individual? the board history shows the global that 1st took action.That action was biased,and unfair...especially since it was the boards main moderator that that action was used against.
are you tryng to tell me that the nitial action taken was 1s discussed by all global mods? or are you merely trying to justify yet another example of biased moderating by global mods.

bwildman: The Global Moderators have discussed this issue and many others in detail, and it is not the decision of just one Global that makes and takes action against a person - but something that we agree with as a group. (Note: A discussion that is made which Fencer can read and input on our discussion.)

I really do not want to start giving out the details about action taken with a moderator in public or to other parties other then the moderator affected, and will be happy to discuss it more with the person involved - but I can tell you that it was more then just a "SINGLE word" that lead us to our actions.

ClayNashvilleTn: you as well as me...are entitled to opinions.
global mods are important to BrainKing.com....and as such,members need to kow what they can expect of these individuals.
Last time I checked...this board is for issues concernig BrainKing.com

bwildman:If you are sincere about resolving the problem, there are avenues to do so. Presenting it on this board is inappropriate.

Please use the "Moderator Complaint f/s" or contact one of the Mods that isn't biased against, for whom you speak.

Public discussion of Mods actions, tend to stir trouble and create needless turmoil.

the reason I ask this...some monthes ago,a member used un appropriate language on the Music board.the word was edited by a global mod.
yet...on the Motor board...instad of using this same procedure...this same global mod hide a user for using a SINGLE word...many do not find offensive. is it coincedence this gobal mod seems to dislike this person? how can global mods be "unbiased" if thy allow their personal feelings color thier moderation?
if a global mod has issues with an individual...shouldnt they refrain from any moderation of a particular individual...and let an UNBIASED moderator do the RIGHT thing?

bwildman:Join the Moderator complaint f/s and present your case.

There are several on there open and willing to discuss those issues.

You will find them open and willing to discuss any issue.

what is the use in having global moderators,if they weild justuce unfairly?

Cranky Franky: Yes

Evil Bratt: Yes, but you will need something sharp to scratch it with.

Sorry, I came straight here from the jokes boards...

Do you mean build it from stratch? Using parts to build your own PC?

Can you make a PC with scratch?????

mrloupcity: That is so sweet of you- I couldn't accept that- for the same reason you can't buy more. It wouldn't be fair to the other players, but it's very nice of you to offer. Thank you! I used them- I should have paid better attention. And the good news is that people playing against me know I'll be moving very quickly!!!LOL
Thank you again- that was very thoughtful!

I like the 'get out of jail free card' idea!

baddessi: I would be glad to give u like 5 of my vacation days, if that would be ok with THE BIG BOSS
I just think they should make a get out of jail free card for BG games, so when u get locked on the board. hehehe
:o{P

Pedro- you're dead!!! LOL!!

Whoops! I didn't realize that Black Queen was Black Brain King's wife....guess I'm disqualified.
I just liked the sound of it- sounded kind of 'dangerous'.
And it's also a very good song written by Stephen Stills- one of my favorites : )

How 'bout White Queen? *runs for shelter*