Artful Dodger: Much better!

(V): Its the whole liberal notion that we all have to somehow be equal and we are hurting someone if they are made to feel inferior to anyone else in any way shape or form, and we must do what we can to not have anyone do better than anyone else kind of attitude. Pass or fail grades, no keeping score in youth baseball, so nobody knows who won or lost or that anyone won or lost, its just unAmerican to my thinking.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think liberals are evil, just misguided. They have their heart in the right place, its just that I dont think our federal government is responsible to be the heart of the country?

There is a saying... if you are under 40 and you arent a liberal, then you have no heart, if you are over 40 and you are not a conservative then you have no brains! Liberals are all about heart and compassion and feelings, but I dont believe it is the governments job, no that I am against those ideals, just that the private sector IE communities and churches etc are the place for them to be implimented?

Artful Dodger: I know you are a teacher and do your best given the circumstances, but i dont think too many people will argue that in general private schools are better than the government run schools?

Discussion forum for discussing local and world politics and issues. All views are welcomed

does the words discussion and discussing seem redundant to anyone else? maybe it could be crafted a bit differently?

Has anyone noticed how since Obama has actually been in the white house and has had a first hand view of the goings on there and has had access to all the same as Bush has, that he is already backing off from his ambitious changes he promised during the campaign?

I think he has realized that things are far more complax than he realized and sweeping change that he promised will not be possible, I already see signs of the far left being pissed off at him!

(V): lol, you were happy to put down our education until you realized that it was the government running them that made them bad, now you are for this education I suppose?

(V): You really dont understand do you? Its not like one year the schools are run by conservatives and then by liberals or whatever, the schools are run by the government.

If the governemnt is doing a bad job with schools, then what makes you think they will run anything right?

ellieoop: i felt that mccain was another 8 years of the same.

You are not the only one that felt that way... its the main reason Obama won, in my opinion.

My beef is, and only time will tell, that people wanted change, but in that change will come consequences that people were not aware of, if you followed any of my rants on the gen chat you know what those problems are, in my opinion, but I think the ultimate outcome is that America will become like many other countries which I find to be mediocre countries, America will become another blah blah blah on the map, and the thing I love about America right now is that we are a bold country not afraid of the risk reward game willing to go out on a limb and fight for what we believe in and leading the way for the rest of the world.... we have come this far not by imitating other countries but by innovation and leadership, and I just feel like now we are going to head into a follower, a country just like every other country and we will lose our sharp edge, the edge that has made edge in the past.....


only time will tell, I hope the change you wanted is the change you get and is really change we all can believe in!

(V): implied that your education has become lacking compared to certain other countries.. such as ours.

I have always believed that to be true... since our schools are run by the government, who is pretty bad at running anything.... thats the same reason i do not want the government running our health care or much of anything for that matter except the military.

Add to the fact that liberals are dumbing down our schools with such great ideas as pass fail only grades, and not using red markers to grade exams, as examples, there are many others as well, its a head scratcher why anyone would advocate for our government to run more thin gs instead of fewer!

Artful Dodger: I'd consider myself representing the conservative side, so we definitely need someone in the middle and the left.


Good luck finding someone on the left! I have never come across a good ol leftie who will admit thats what they are, they all consider themselves moderates, who never vote for conservatives

I am not sure a moderators job is or should be affected by their political views???? But if you think it would help, at least it would ensure someone from all views would actually have to read this board

ellieoop: just wondering if you think that bush did a good job, and if he could have run for a 3rd. term, would you have voted for him again?

Hi Ellie, I would vote for you any day!


I think Bush could have done many things better. I still support him taking it to Saddam and liberating those people, I do wish he handled the post war stuff better, although I dont think all of the anti war dissent from his own country helped much either.

I might have preferred a different person instead of bush for a third term, I actually think he became too much of a liberal for my liking, and part of the reason for his low approval rating was not just the liberals who hated him, but there were a lot of conservatives who thought he leaned to much the other way on some issues.

Having said that, I think that every person who is smart enough to get his parties nomination for president has got to be pretty darn accomplished, so i dont worry too much about the specific person as I do their ideology. If Obama were a conservative, I would have no problem voting for him, and given that Obama is as far from a conservative as you could practically get, i would have voted for Bush over him in a heart beat!


Is that what you wanted to know?

AD, since i am sure nobody wants me to debate this topic on the general chat board..... since you are moderator on both, please send all political general chat over here, I dont think I will keep up with gen chat much, and I dont want political hacks making unchallenged remarks because I am not aware of them

Okay with that? no matter how mundane?

Fencer: Thanks fencer!

Hi AD

I hope this works out, but I am afraid that only a few pros will read here, and the amateurs who really need the "help" will cower back to their mundane lives with their heads in the sand, happy to be oblivious to the world around them and happy to be free from my torment