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20. август 2007, 22:37:24
Ewe 
Относно: Re:
alanback: Yes! I think people just need 'something' to blame when they get so frustrated.

Just out of interest though, Fencer, is the random dice programme 'burglar proof' as someone else mentioned, or could anyone playing here be able to fiddle their dice?
(Im a technophobe so wouldnt have a clue about such things lol)

20. август 2007, 22:29:02
alanback 
Относно: Re:
Lambyless:  Yes, it was a real revelation to me when I played my first big tournament with precision dice and the rolls were just as "impossible" as they are online.

20. август 2007, 19:46:06
Ewe 
Относно: Re:
alanback: Yes I agree & I don't think it does happen. I play backgammon in 'real  life' also & the dice are as annoying at times as they are on here (and thats me throwing them so no excuse lol).....so thats just the way it goes

20. август 2007, 18:53:19
alanback 
Относно: Re:
Lambyless:  You're right, if it happens very often to the same person that would raise suspicion.  I was responding to the suggestion that it should never happen.

20. август 2007, 18:52:07
Ewe 
Относно: Re:
alanback: even so, surely it can't malfunction with the same person every time to assist them to win? (which is what the point of this topic is isnt it?)

20. август 2007, 18:45:22
Jason 
Относно: Re: Vacation days
MadMonkey: I think there was a way to do as you request at one time , but it was open to people abusing the system so was stopped
(at least to my knowledge this is correct)

20. август 2007, 18:32:53
alanback 
Относно: Re:
rabbitoid:  Au contraire, if no one gets this, the random number generator is definitely malfunctioning.  Do you have any idea how many dice rolls are simulated every day on this site?  What can happen, must eventually happen, given enough opportunity.  A chance of one in less than 100,000?  That's probably an everyday event here.

20. август 2007, 18:32:16
MadMonkey 
Относно: Re: Vacation days
Eriisa: I know i can, but when things crop up on us, not everyone can find 'x' amount of money to do there membership on short notice

Having a way to just buy a quick day or two would be extremely helpful

20. август 2007, 17:03:16
rabbitoid 
Относно: Re:
Andersp: after I sit in a bar for a while ALL the sixes I see are doubled, so that's no surprise

20. август 2007, 16:02:37
Andersp 
Относно: Re:
rabbitoid:   But if you sit in the bar and the only thing you cant use is a 6, then im sure the chances that Fencer's random dice gives you  a double 6 is at least 75% LOL

20. август 2007, 14:40:55
rabbitoid 
true. someone wins the lottery, after all. that's why I only say probably wrong.



20. август 2007, 14:29:29
nodnarbo 
Относно: Re:
rabbitoid: but there are so many people playing so many games here every day that someone is bound to get it

20. август 2007, 14:24:03
rabbitoid 
probability to get a double: 1/6.
probability to get 6 doubles in a row: (1/6)^6 = 1/46656
if anyone gets this, the random generator is probably wrong.

probability not to get a double: 5/6
probability not to get a double, 6 times in a row: (5/6)^6 = 15625/46656 or about 1/3. well within reasonable.

20. август 2007, 13:22:26
Family Man 
Относно: Re: just a question
tippyc: the probability of getting double 6's on any given roll is always exactly 1/36. the same concept applies to all dice rolls.

But that does not mean either, that the probability of getting 6 doubles in a row is the same as not getting 6 doubles in a row.

20. август 2007, 13:21:47
Eriisa 
Относно: Re: Vacation days
MadMonkey: extend your membership will get you more days.

20. август 2007, 13:12:58
MadMonkey 
Относно: Vacation days
I have no vacation days left, and know of others in the same boat, whether like me it was because of no PC connection or moving home, there are numerous reasons

So, what do we do now ?
Well myself i try to get here every day, BUT that is not always possible for some people.

There was a mention a while ago about having people able to access someone elses account to play there games & prevent games timing out. Have not heard anymore about that

How about for those who have run out of vacation days the possibility of being able to buy more (say 2 EUR per day).
I would say a maximum of 10 so people did not just do it for the sake of it, or take undue advantage.

It would be nice if invited to a wedding, funeral or even having to go into hospital, we did not have to have the worry of games timing out on us

20. август 2007, 12:39:06
Hrqls 
Относно: Re: just a question
Gabriel Almeida: this discussion was about the dice games on brainking .. not about cheating per se .. no names were being called (i dont allow names being called on this board .. it only leads to lynching of specific players not to a discussion about brainking and its system

if someone can give a list of a player who won extraordinary many dice games by getting too many good rolls .. please ask about it on the board of that game type and ask the experts in that game if its possible to have these rolls this often .. it might be skill or not yet subject to the rule of large numbers .. but again .. try to leave out the name .. we dont want people to go after a specific person .. the only person to go after someone is fencer
(and by the way .. asking for bernice to be banned isnt inline with this board either :))

20. август 2007, 12:37:19
Andre Faria 
But I guess that "cheaters" is a forbidden topic on that board...

20. август 2007, 12:34:29
Andre Faria 
Относно: Re: just a question
Gabriel Almeida: I´ve seen people being banned from the checkers board for less...

20. август 2007, 12:29:14
Gabriel Almeida 
Относно: Re: just a question
Bernice: And By the way... I don't understand why haven't you been banned yet! ;)
"Cheating stuffs" are forbidden discussions, in Brainking. There's always someone in the command that decides this is not the right place to argue that! Anyway, I still don't know where is a right place for that discussion...

20. август 2007, 07:39:06
tippyc 
Относно: Re: just a question
Tigger & everyone else: to be a good dice poker player, it seems that you need to know what to do with the rolls you get, that you know what to do with the bad rolls and wait for the good ones to come. Backgammon seems to rely more on what the roll is, but if you dont know how best to use the two dice values you will still be a lousy player.

on a side note: people tend to forget that the probability of an event occurring is not reliant on the previous event. that means that just because someone got (in backgammon) double 6's on their last roll doesn't mean that they have any less of a chance to get double 6's next time. the probability of getting double 6's on any given roll is always exactly 1/36. the same concept applies to all dice rolls.

20. август 2007, 07:28:51
Bernice 
Относно: Re: just a question
Tigger: Well I think it is the luck of the draw....for instance ...in a game of triple dice poker I have had 6 5's of a kind...I didnt cheat to get them I guess I was just lucky, and the game is only 1/2 way through so in theory I could get more...

20. август 2007, 03:41:02
Papa Zoom 
Относно: Re: just a question
wetware:  That's how I see it too.  Some players just know how to stack the odds in their favor.  Some players I consistently beat in the dice games.  Others I play I get taken to school.  It's not so much about the rolls they get but their knowing what to do with those rolls.

I suspect Fencer has many safeguards to keep BrainKing burglar free ;)

20. август 2007, 03:25:19
Vikings 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer: if they are very good in skill games, then they are also very good at knowing the probability in dice games and position themselves for the best chances, it is very hard to beat a player that has a 300 point higher rating even in dice games

20. август 2007, 03:17:01
wetware 
Относно: Re: just a question

Tigger: As you might know, there are some sites that allow you to review dice rolls after a game or series of games, showing what the actual distributions were--compared to the theoretical average values.  Neat stuff!  Sometimes I'll see that an opponent got more nice rolls than expected, but not so many that would clearly demonstrate some kind of cheating.  But those rolls and situations are painful...and they stand out in memory!


I think that in games involving dice (or in other games of imperfect information), very good players will combine a solid grasp of probabilities with an understanding of how those probabilities might unfold in play.  They'll do a better job of anticipating possibilities, and will tend to distribute their pieces in play so as to maximize positive outcomes and minimize bad outcomes.  I think that at times it can present the illusion that they're influencing rolls or getting access to hidden knowledge...


20. август 2007, 03:05:51
tippyc 
Относно: Re: question about ponds
coan.net: thanks for the help

20. август 2007, 03:04:00
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
Tigger: Correct ...I had the same experience many times ...you always think the opponent got more doubles than you but in the end it isn't . But with these players ...mmm... dunno ...but they always got the right dice ...always in any single game ... people can be lucky sometimes but not always . I can't imagine how they could cheat but it is very strange . They are very good in skill games but meanwhile they are lucky in any single dice game .. Golden boys or what ????? :)

20. август 2007, 03:00:48
Papa Zoom 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer:  I'm not sure it's possible to cheat on BK when it comes to controlling what the dice do.  The dice rolls are controlled by the program on the server that Fencer is in control of.  I know I have played people who seem to get just the right rolls but I don't think they are really doing anything except being very lucky.  They probably think that of me when i get the perfect roll.

I remember once when my opponent kept getting doubles.  Tons of them.  I got ticked about it but didn't say anything.  After losing the game I went back and counted the doubles.  Turns out, I had more doubles than my opponent! 

20. август 2007, 02:53:56
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
Family Man: That might be a good suggestion but when I create a tourney I want anyone to play . I will not exclude any BK player except for those 2 (let's say 3)...so I think it's better to throw them out just before the tourney starts

20. август 2007, 02:51:20
Family Man 
Относно: Re: just a question
alanback: I think it makes a great feature request, to be able to create more limits in a tournament or game we create,

So, send each other a PM with your lists or whatever you want to do, and leave it at that?

20. август 2007, 02:51:05
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
alanback: INdeed ...I did check your finished games and you never played either of them . Lucky you !!!

20. август 2007, 02:47:58
alanback 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer:  Well, I play here as much as anyone and I don't have a clue who you are talking about.

20. август 2007, 02:45:00
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
alanback: I will not mention their names on a DB cause otherwise I got a lot of american moderators or "would be "moderators over me again (story of my live ) lol but I think that people who play on BK for a few years all know who I'm talking about :)))

20. август 2007, 02:43:21
alanback 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer:  Who are these individuals?

20. август 2007, 02:34:24
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
Eriisa: The dice wont work from time to time but there are these players for whom the dice always work even at the last moment ....when I'm sure to win a dice game (finally) one way or antoher they got double 6's or whatsoever and they alway always win .....it's sickening...I know this can happen but not day after day, week after week, year after year ....

20. август 2007, 02:31:23
Eriisa 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer: oooo! can you have them buy me a lottery ticket too???


I know what you mean tho. Lately the Triple Dice Poker has been driving me crazy, cause the dice won't work with me at all.

20. август 2007, 02:25:57
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
alanback: I know but they are always winnig whatever we do. And they do in any game ...not only with dice but even in BB games. They never miss a boat ...I agree that in some games it's all about skills (like chess, mancale, reversi ....) but I'm sick and tired about some players who always (day after day, year after year) win any stupid "luck" game as well ... that's not normal ....they have to buy me a lottery ticket

20. август 2007, 02:24:19
Family Man 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer: I am sure that something like what you want is on Fencers list of things to do. But sometimes these features get lost in all of the other features that Fencer does.

It doesnt sound like anything that would be difficult to implement though.

20. август 2007, 02:22:56
alanback 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer:  Well, that's one way to ensure they continue winning!

20. август 2007, 02:20:01
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
Family Man: There are some players I will not play anymore ...during the years on BK it seems they can not lose any game ... strange but they always get the right dice at the right time .... I'm talking about 2 or 3 players but they always appear on any tourney . So when I got those guys as opponent I resign the game from the first move . I'd like to see a possibility not to play those players again ... even if I block them they always appear on tourneys :(((((

20. август 2007, 02:17:10
srnity 
Just my opinion.....but seems kinda mean.....

20. август 2007, 02:12:02
Family Man 
Относно: Re: just a question
coan.net: They will not get a message - so hopefully they will not re-join with 5 minutes to go.


20. август 2007, 02:11:49
bouncer 
Относно: Re: just a question
coan.net: OK thanks ..that's a possibility indeed .

20. август 2007, 02:09:56
coan.net 
Относно: Re: just a question
bouncer: The only thing you can currently do is just remove them before the tournament starts. That is wait about 10 minutes before the tournament starts, then manually remove them. They will not get a message - so hopefully they will not re-join with 5 minutes to go.

20. август 2007, 02:08:04
bouncer 
Относно: just a question
Does anybody knows if there's a possibility to exclude some players from tourneys we create ? I know we can create tourneys with players allowed tioll a certain rating but what I mean is to exclude some players by name ..f.e. players who always win any game (cheaters I mean)

20. август 2007, 01:49:44
coan.net 
Относно: Re: question about ponds
tippyc: The next round will always be at the stated time.

So a 3 day pond, everyone has to make a move within the 3 days. Even if everyone makes their move in 1 day, it will still be 3 days before the next round starts.

20. август 2007, 01:39:21
tippyc 
Относно: question about ponds
Is the time limit for the pond for one person's move or for the whole round, meaning that everyone has to move within those three days?

19. август 2007, 22:31:29
trohat 
Относно: Re: Smilies
Eriisa: Sure I did ! Just uncheck that option on your settings page and browse some discussion board, like this, for example, and you will see the same. In some posts you will see those pictures, and in some other posts (especially in those which were modified), you will see *numbers*. Try it

19. август 2007, 14:18:00
Eriisa 
Относно: Re: Smilies
trohat: I wonder if you would see them half the time because the rich text edit changes the star number star to <img> coding. I bet you'd see the html coding and not the * number *

19. август 2007, 06:35:01
tippyc 
Относно: Re: Smilies
trohat: it always used to show smilies for me, but when i got my membership (thanks madmonkey!) it showed them about half the time. i checked the settings and found that show smilies wasn't selected. i dont know if it was selected or not before i got the membership

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