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6. декември 2005, 21:34:30
coan.net 
Hrqls: The tournament is still decided by the won total match, and not each game - I kind of like how it shows for the players stats each game

6. декември 2005, 21:10:58
grenv 
Относно: Re: game question
Hrqls: Very close call.

Your chance of winning from 19-20 down is about 28% (2 in a row is obviously 25%, but you have to factor in the chance of getting a gammon in the next game).

Your chance of winning this game is probably about 28% as well (or thereabouts), so not much you could do to improve your odds (except for hoping he doesn't double!)

Maybe someone could run it through a computer and give us the results? I think it's ok since the double is already rejected.

6. декември 2005, 21:03:04
Hrqls 
the player results in the cubed teamtournament counts all games separately. should it count all matches for this individual result ?

6. декември 2005, 20:54:00
Hrqls 
Относно: game question
i am trying to learn how to use the cube better

i am wondering though .. i declined the cube action in this game ... i didnt think i could win this game (too many safe options and some steps ahead of me) .. accepting would mean this game makes the match .. but declining means i have to win the crawford game first, and then another game to win the match ... i am not sure if i have a better chance winning the next 2 games than i would have had to win the doubled game (which i declined)

any opinions ?
(i think its ok to talk about this cube action as it has been handled already ? if not, please let me know and i will remove this question :))

5. декември 2005, 21:35:36
Hrqls 
Относно: Re:
wellywales: he wants to be a rook ?
hmm i can imagine .. it must be boring and lonely to be the only white king ;)

5. декември 2005, 21:34:49
WellyWales 
Относно: Re:
Hrqls: BrainKing membership

5. декември 2005, 21:31:46
Hrqls 
Относно: Re:
BIG BAD WOLF: ah! thanks! indeed the difference is the number of pieces which are beared off already .. i didnt notice that :)

i agree completely with you .. now we just need to bribe/blackmail fencer ;)
does anyone knows what he wants for christmas present ? ;)

5. декември 2005, 17:05:33
Pedro Martínez 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
furbster: I want him to accept it. I don't plan to go anywhere in the nearest future. If I do, I'll cancel it, of course...:)

5. декември 2005, 16:58:26
furbster 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Pedro Martínez: why don;'t u canccel the invite then?

5. декември 2005, 16:45:29
Pedro Martínez 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Променен от Pedro Martínez (5. декември 2005, 16:46:16)
Hrqls: It's exactly as BBW said - in anti games, the system takes the position of the loser's pieces into consideration when counting how many points the winner will get. And it should be the winner's pieces that must matter.

André: The interesting thing is that he has added me to his enemies list but hasn't declined my invitation yet. He probably waits for me to go to vacation or something and then, when he sees I haven't logged on for some time, accepts the invite...yeah, that's what I call sportsmanship

5. декември 2005, 16:08:37
Andre Faria 
Относно: Re: Robtoo
Pedro Martínez: I´m on his enemies list for more than ayear, just because I won 2 games in a row...

It´s not my fault that he is such an awful player. I tried not to win, but he played so badly that I had no alternative but win...

He is a really sportsman... LOL

5. декември 2005, 15:59:55
coan.net 
Променен от coan.net (5. декември 2005, 16:08:26)
In Vikings game, they got 4 points since the cube was doubled and the person who resigned did not have any pieces off the board.

In Hrqls game - only 1 point since the person who resigned already had a piece off the board.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN (in my opinion): With Anti Backgammon

Lets say someone moves all their pieces off the board - it needs to look at how many points they would get if it was regular backgammon, then just give those points to the opponent with pieces still on the board.

Lets say someone resigns. First the computer needs to "pretend" that the person that resigned has won the game (of regular backgammon), and calculate how many points they would get if they actually moved all their pieces off the board. (regular, gammon, backgammon) - then give those points to the opponent with pieces still on the board.

5. декември 2005, 13:04:40
Vikings 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Hrqls: don't know, looks similar enough to my game

5. декември 2005, 07:30:11
Hrqls 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Pedro & Vikings: in this game my opponent resigned but i only got 1 point for the game

(my opponent knew i would get 3 points if he resigned, he wondered about the 1 point as well)

how come vikings game gave him gammon points upon resigning of his opponent ? (although it should have been a backgammon?) while my game doesnt ?

does anyone have any idea about the way this bug works ?

4. декември 2005, 23:43:13
Vikings 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Pedro Martínez: as I said earlier, I may have had all the checkers out of the 1st quadrant at one time or another and had them set back, I have had that happen in hyper-backgammon and only received 2 points also

4. декември 2005, 23:35:07
Pedro Martínez 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Vikings: Yes, you should've gotten 6 points. I don't play "cubed" anti-backgammon because of this bug right now, since it is a major flaw, in my opinion.

4. декември 2005, 23:23:40
Vikings 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Pedro Martínez: my bad, it looks like they were all resignations, but here is a link to where I received 4 points but may have been eligible to receive 6 http://brainking.com/en/ArchivedGame?g=1177229

4. декември 2005, 23:16:53
Vikings 
I'll look

4. декември 2005, 23:13:35
Pedro Martínez 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Vikings: Would you please provide a link to any game like that? Plz

4. декември 2005, 22:58:51
Vikings 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Pedro Martínez: actually I have gotten many gammons with a double and received 4 points, I have also gotten backgammons with a double but also received 4 points, I just assumed that I had gotten the checkers out and had them sent back

4. декември 2005, 22:47:22
Hrqls 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Pedro Martínez: ah ok, thanks :)

i will use the cube more often then i guess :)

4. декември 2005, 22:46:26
Pedro Martínez 
Относно: Re: anti-backgammon
Hrqls: No, unless your opponent resigns. I've already reported it to the BugTracker. (a month ago or so)

4. декември 2005, 22:44:21
Hrqls 
Относно: anti-backgammon
is it possible to get a gammon (2 points) or backgammon (3 points) in a game of anti-backgammon ?

4. декември 2005, 13:07:00
WellyWales 
Относно: Re: Them scoundrels and scallywags
playBunny:Hope so, He couild be on the top all the time, unless we all play at that game

4. декември 2005, 07:15:14
playBunny 
Относно: Re: Them scoundrels and scallywags
BBW Did you report robyou/roguetoo, or whatever his name is, and BaDBoY to Fencer by any chance?

4. декември 2005, 02:45:18
pentejr 
Относно: Re:
grenv: SCAM!!! He should be drawn and quartered, figuratively speaking of course. I say we flood his games page with challenges, until he either has to play some people or delete, say, 200 challenges a day...

4. декември 2005, 00:29:07
Andersp 
Относно: Re:
frolind: que?

4. декември 2005, 00:27:59
frolind 
Относно: Re:
Andersp: That's relevant. Well done.

4. декември 2005, 00:26:50
Andersp 
Относно: Re:
Pedro Martínez: ...and i noticed that i am
one of Frolinds enemies

4. декември 2005, 00:20:45
Pedro Martínez 
robtoo has put me on his enemies list...

3. декември 2005, 05:56:21
playBunny 
Относно: Re: Chicken, fish and rabbit
grenv: You did, you did! I think it's because I appeased the Dice Gods with another trio of my youngest.

3. декември 2005, 02:39:41
grenv 
Относно: Re: Ignorant people should be educated. Who would like to be first?
playBunny: i believe I just helped you already on the move I just made. The chicken was a red herring apparently.

3. декември 2005, 00:08:58
playBunny 
Относно: Re: Ignorant people should be educated. Who would like to be first?
grenv: I've a gammon loss that I'm trying to fend off. I desperately need to know how to do that thing with the chicken.

2. декември 2005, 22:32:34
grenv 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
alanback:

2. декември 2005, 22:27:46
alanback 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
grenv: Does that make me the first?

2. декември 2005, 22:15:39
grenv 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
alanback: I meant that ignorance should be scorned. Ignorant people should be educated. Who would like to be first?

2. декември 2005, 21:08:01
alanback 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
Czuch Chuckers: If a person is ignorant, your time is better spent educating him than insulting him. If he is truly a fool, nothing you can say will change that, so why take that negativity upon yourself?

2. декември 2005, 21:04:56
playBunny 
Относно: Re: How much word gets a word Cxuch chucked?
Czuch: Did you name names or address a class of people?

2. декември 2005, 21:03:15
Czuch 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
grenv: I was banned from the ponds DB for calling people ignorant and fools....

2. декември 2005, 20:57:23
alanback 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
grenv: Hm . . . at least one dictionary defines "scorn" as "look down upon", so you may need to amend your choice of words.

2. декември 2005, 20:51:22
grenv 
Относно: Re: Grenv, really!
playBunny: I have no sympathy for the fools. So, for instance, their ratings should suffer from timing out in such a situation.

However I do not condone the guilty party, and propose his account be terminated and he be removed from the list.

So you were only half right, but thanks for trying.

And yes I think ignorance should absolutely be scorned, but corrected rather than looked down upon.

2. декември 2005, 20:16:06
playBunny 
Относно: Grenv, really!
grenv: Aye, ignorance is something that we should scorn and look down upon. Let the fools and their money be parted. We who are clever and smart an on the ball can profit by them and good luck to any of us who does so in a systematic way. Don't suffer the fools gladly - gladly make the fools suffer!

Have I expressed your attitude correctly there?

2. декември 2005, 20:11:30
playBunny 
Относно: Re: Here's your medicine - Taste it!
Pedro: Good on you. Sock it to him!

2. декември 2005, 17:43:38
ColonelCrockett 
Относно: Re:
Pedro Martínez: good for you, I just don't have that much time or I'd do the same!

2. декември 2005, 17:38:23
Hrqls 
Относно: Re:
Pedro Martínez: trust you to be that evil :)

2. декември 2005, 17:37:57
Pedro Martínez 
I've offered this guy an 11-hours-per-move dark boats game, hoping to beat him with his own "weapon". :)

2. декември 2005, 17:35:54
Hrqls 
Относно: Re:
wellywales: the problem is that this isnt really cheating .. its misguiding their opponents .. but all inside the rules .. its abusing a feature .. but not cheating (imo)

the 2 top players of hyper gammon though ... that might be something different .. but even about that i am not too sure :)

2. декември 2005, 17:34:29
WellyWales 
Относно: Re:
ColonelCrockett: Thanks, is Fencer looking into this scam, Makes us all out to be fools

2. декември 2005, 17:30:22
ColonelCrockett 
Относно: Re:
wellywales: who is on the top of the dark battleboats list after only four games?

2. декември 2005, 17:27:50
WellyWales 
Относно: Re:
ColonelCrockett: Who is this person gissa clue

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