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9. май 2013, 10:33:45
Mort 
Относно: Re: What do you mean "should"? How would you enforce that?
Iamon lyme: You can't enforce it. I was referring to how it could get ridiculous using the term at every 'opportunity'.

"Unless they are commited by members of a party or by people you don't particularly like, then it's okay to focus all of your attention on them. Right?"

Wrong!!

"Well there ya go now, that's the spirit! By the way, thanks yet again for proving my point... not that you understand how, but that's okay. As long as you keep validating my points it doesn't really matter to me whether you know it or not."

Ok..... as long your not keeping a tick mark system on points. That would be creepy!!

;P

9. май 2013, 19:54:43
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: What do you mean "should"? How would you enforce that?
(V): Hello? Wake up V!

Tagging scandals with the word "gate" wasn't my idea. I was simply explaining to you why it's done.

I thought you might catch on when I gated the words 'Whitewater' and 'Benghazi' when no one else has, but apparently the significance of comparing Watergate to other scandals is lost on anyone other than conservatives.

9. май 2013, 20:46:55
Mort 
Относно: Re: Tagging scandals with the word "gate" wasn't my idea. I was simply explaining to you why it's done.
Iamon lyme: ok.. I get why in the world of politics such needs to 'get at' your opposition is used... We see it all the time in the UK by all the parties.

Left, Right and Centre leanings all do it.

"but apparently the significance of comparing Watergate to other scandals is lost on anyone other than conservatives."

Significance being opportunistic 'loud' mud slinging, like in PM's Question time? Some scandals they go on about often are molehills... but they are trying to paint them pink/tartan and other bright colours.

9. май 2013, 21:30:16
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Tagging scandals with the word "gate" wasn't my idea. I was simply explaining to you why it's done.
(V): You still don't get it, but that's understandable. You didn't live here and were probably too young even if you did to understand the significance of this.

I am aware of how liberals used Watergate to blundgeon the right for years afterward and claim the high ground. I should know, because at that time I was a member of the Democratic Tabernacle Choir, singing the praises of the left and pointing to Watergate as an example of Republican corruption. The Democrats lost that high ground a long time ago, but the left siding hardliners haven't figured that out yet... some of them are still fighting the war in Vietnam. It wasn't that long ago that someone here accused Republicans of sending teenagers off to war, even though the draft ended in 1973 and the only party responsible for sending young men and women to war for the past 4+ years are the Democrats.

I'm only telling you this so that ignorance cannot be used as an excuse when you go about the business of focusing all of your critical attention on conservatives.

10. май 2013, 16:39:50
Mort 
Относно: Re: I am aware of how liberals used Watergate to blundgeon the right for years afterward and claim the high ground.
Iamon lyme: Well that's American politics... we avoided alot of that except for history lessons until Maggie started employing such tactics.

"because at that time I was a member of the Democratic Tabernacle Choir, singing the praises of the left and pointing to Watergate as an example of Republican corruption."

Our history lessons were more focused on spying in the UK than Watergate. We had a few who were of the upper class and converted to communism then spied for the USSR.... High up ministers sleeping with Russian agents.. ... etc, etc.

"I'm only telling you this so that ignorance cannot be used as an excuse"

Hey don't pass on your regrets onto me regarding your past political views. Get over it and stop beating yourself and 'liberals' up about it!!

10. май 2013, 21:59:35
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: I am aware of how liberals used Watergate to blundgeon the right for years afterward and claim the high ground.
(V): "Hey don't pass on your regrets onto me regarding your past political views."

What makes you think I have regrets? I'd have reason to reget it if I was still a part of it, but if I was still a part of it I wouldn't admit to regreting it even if I did regret it. You don't regret it because to do so would be to admit you've been wrong, but you don't believe you are wrong so you have no regrets. See how that works?

If I hadn't been a liberal at one time I probably wouldn't understand the mindset. What I feel is the opposite of regret. I'm happy about being a part of it at one time for two reasons: One, I'm no longer a part of it and two, it gives me some insight I wouldn't otherwise have.

Churchill knew what he was talking about when he said if you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart... I think you know the rest of the quote. I appreciate the fact that he did not condemn young liberals, but instead he understood them.

11. май 2013, 17:28:19
Mort 
Относно: Re: Churchill knew what he was talking about when he said if you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart... I think you know the rest of the quote.
Iamon lyme: Yep.... I know also this one by another British PM, William Gladstone.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."

As for Democrats lying....

I think after hearing that the USA interfered with Italy's 1948 elections and did for the next 24 years via the CIA...

..So what? Why should anyone outside the USA care about whether they do or don't? Realistically we were lied to for decades.

The 50's golden age for the USA... Paid for by the USA government via the Marshall Plan. They gave money to Europe and Japan, we used it to buy American merchandise from American companies.... hence creating a false cash flow bonanza for American companies.

... I can't find the "Iron Sky" film clip. ;P

11. май 2013, 21:19:59
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Churchill knew what he was talking about when he said if you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart... I think you know the rest of the quote.
(V): Gladstone was a British PM governing yall with THAT philosophy? Hoo boy... I feel your pain. So apparently you've had the same problem we have, any of the gains made by your conservatives are chipped away at by your liberals. By the way, if Churchill and Gladstone weren't 'British' PMs, then what sort of PMs would they be?

The 'prudence' our illustrious president and beloved leader has exercised will ruin us if the trust he's already violated isn't soon recognised. Conservatism isn't distrust of the people, it's distrust of government... I thought you knew that. And fear is something we can all live without, like fear of global warming, or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat. I could go on for another few paragraphs about all of the fearful things conservatives are willing to let liberals endure, but right now I'm laughing so hard I can hardly see the screen. Laughter is good for the soul, but I don't need tears of laughter shorting out my keyboard... restraining myself seems the prudent thing to do.

12. май 2013, 00:25:00
Mort 
Относно: Re: Gladstone was a British PM governing yall with THAT philosophy? Hoo boy... I feel your pain.
Iamon lyme: He got elected 4 times.

"any of the gains made by your conservatives are chipped away at by your liberals."

What gains did Bush give you?

"Conservatism isn't distrust of the people, it's distrust of government."

No. It's distrust of anyone in power who isn't Conservative. You guys were quite happy for Mitt to be elected. But then they make promises like smaller government.

"or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat."

Do you think those girls who were locked up and got free recently had a choice?
Please... stop with the stereotyping of women as being the only ones in the loop re birth control.

Unless, you think men cannot be responsible at all and therefore the entire burden of birth control is on women?

"You are so focused on money you could have become a banker, or an economist... or a doctor, or lawyer. Didn't anyone ever tell you that money can't buy you love? Or happiness?"

Didn't you ever here the phrase "follow the money" when it comes to criminal activities.... profit? Not like in "Dogma" when it was about "two prophets" who were gonna help save creation.

Yes.. Money does not buy happiness. But some people who have holes in their hearts think it does.

Maybe that's why the G20 are now looking at fighting aggressive tax avoidance.... They are fighting the greed... or the idea of young ladies hanging off their arms as they have big wallets.

..... Old rich men can get lonely you know!! ;P

12. май 2013, 01:22:26
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Gladstone was a British PM governing yall with THAT philosophy? Hoo boy... I feel your pain.
(V): "Do you think those girls who were locked up and got free recently had a choice?"

Do you think resorting to this kind of example supports your argument? If you are suggesting that the majority of women in a relationship are kidnapped and held against their will, and forced to endure what those young women endured, then you need to get out more.

"Unless, you think men cannot be responsible at all and therefore the entire burden of birth control is on women?"

You are absolutely right V, men cannot be responsible at all and therefore the entire burden of birth control is on women... if those women are dating liberals who have kidnapped them and are holding them against their will. Studies have shown that liberals (the men) can be wearing belts and suspenders and STILL have trouble keeping their pants from falling down. We can send a man to the moon, but we can't prevent liberals from mooning the women they 'adore'.

12. май 2013, 12:44:07
Mort 
Относно: Re: Do you think resorting to this kind of example supports your argument?
Iamon lyme: No.

But it gets you hopefully to stop blaming women for being pregnant and using bad arguments yourself regarding pregnancy... it takes two to tango. I don't think we have many virgin births these days!!

That was the intent. ;P

13. май 2013, 00:29:57
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Do you think resorting to this kind of example supports your argument?
(V): [ But it gets you hopefully to stop blaming women for being pregnant and using bad arguments yourself regarding pregnancy... it takes two to tango. I don't think we have many virgin births these days!!

That was the intent. ]


No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about. There was a time when no self respecting man would resort to that kind of tactic... but times have changed haven't they.

If you're not buying what I'm not selling, and insist on responding to what I'm not saying, then all you are doing is making political speeches. You don't need me for that... any imaginary opponent saying what you want him to say can fill that void for you.

I wasn't blaming women for being pregnant... that doesn't even make sense. If I was blaming women for anything, it would be for believing the inane idea foisted by liberals about their right to have sex without dealing with consequences or responsibilities. Liberals preach the same message to men, that screwing around is your God given right and you shouldn't have to suffer any consequences as a result.

Since you don't seem to understand what I was saying... I was making fun of people who act as though pregnant women have malignant tumors growing inside of them instead of children. That's sick, and something is seriously wrong with people who regard their own flesh and blood in that way. But what is truly laughable is the fear of no longer being able to behave like a child, but actually being expected to take on adult responsibilities. I'm talking about people who ARE adults... or at least appear to be.

13. май 2013, 12:27:18
Mort 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Iamon lyme: Nope.

"There was a time when no self respecting man would resort to that kind of tactic... but times have changed haven't they."

No. I've seen it used here by conservatives all the time. But they say it's justified... so I'm feeling a little hypocrisy in such a statement.

"Liberals preach the same message to men, that screwing around is your God given right and you shouldn't have to suffer any consequences as a result."

Do they? I remember such talk in the Bible.... was that written by a Liberal?

"But what is truly laughable is the fear of no longer being able to behave like a child, but actually being expected to take on adult responsibilities. I'm talking about people who ARE adults... or at least appear to be."

Point!
A mature body does not mean a mature mind.

"I was making fun of people who act as though pregnant women have malignant tumors growing inside of them instead of children. That's sick, and something is seriously wrong with people who regard their own flesh and blood in that way."

... Point proven.
.....There was a time when no self respecting man would resort to that kind of statement, but times have changed haven't they.

13. май 2013, 18:37:32
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
(V): They've been asking the public for privacy you mor... er, I mean you champion of womens rights. They've been freed from the troll who held them hostage, and now they want the public to leave them alone and stop hounding them.

13. май 2013, 18:48:47
Mort 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Iamon lyme: And?

13. май 2013, 19:24:06
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
(V): And what? Do you really need for someone to explain this to you? If those women cannot watch TV or listen to the radio or go online or go anywhere without being scrutinized or talked about, then the public has effectively made them prisoners in their own homes. And this will be my LAST post on this topic.

13. май 2013, 20:24:25
Mort 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Iamon lyme: Ok... Maybe then you'll get back to the points you keep avoiding then through all these misdirection games you like to play ;P

But hey... your a conservative and it's ok for you guys.. At least the American Conservatives... not any other conservatives as they are not the same!! :)

13. май 2013, 21:43:00
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
(V): I apologize for distracting you from the points you were making, would you mind reiterating those points? If you've forgotten what they were that's okay, we can just move on to your next point. *<(:oP

14. май 2013, 08:42:34
Mort 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
Iamon lyme: no. read back.

14. май 2013, 17:16:34
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: No. Your intent was to toss in an emotionally charged story about kidnapping and rape. A story that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.
(V): Okay, I'll summarize this for you... and feel free to disagree.

You said I'm blaming women for being pregnant. If women never got pregnant you wouldn't be here to claim I blame women for being pregnant, and I wouldn't be here to see you blaming me for blaming them for being pregnant. It's a ridiculous statement. Unless you meant something else or can show me where I'm "blaming women for being pregnant" your claim is less than meaningless.

I explained why scandals are often tagged with the word "gate". If you disagree with my 'historical interpretation' then please enlighten me.

Bringing up a story of kidnapping and rape and trying to link that to what I was saying was childish. Grow up.

14. май 2013, 17:58:36
Mort 
Относно: Re: Unless you meant something else or can show me where I'm "blaming women for being pregnant" your claim is less than meaningless.
Iamon lyme: Then stop talking like you do. The way you talk about women (or a couple) wanting an abortion is bad.

It's a matter of interpretation of how you are stating your opinion.

"or fear of what women will have to face if abortion is abolished, such as pregnancy and dirty diapers, not to mention *shudder* the abstinence needed to avoid that threat."

You know it's the 21st century... Men have been changing nappies, dealing with early feeds for decades.. What about men abstaining?

"Bringing up a story of kidnapping and rape and trying to link that to what I was saying was childish. Grow up."

"And this will be my LAST post on this topic."

Make your mind up will ya!! ;)

14. май 2013, 19:59:22
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Unless you meant something else or can show me where I'm "blaming women for being pregnant" your claim is less than meaningless.
(V): "The way you talk about women (or a couple) wanting an abortion is bad."

I believe abortion is bad. So? If you want to hear uplifting warm and fuzzy stories about abortion then talk to someone else... I have nothing good to say about it.

"Men have been changing nappies, dealing with early feeds for decades.."

Tell that to feminists who say women do all the work.

"What about men abstaining?"

What about it? Are you for it or against it?

14. май 2013, 20:50:11
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Unless you meant something else or can show me where I'm "blaming women for being pregnant" your claim is less than meaningless.
(V): You assumed I regreted my political past. I told you I don't have regrets about that. The regrets I feel are more personal. I was a jerk with women, but at that time I saw myself as being a 'nice guy'. I've been forgiven by a few of them, and some of them have even told me it wasn't all that bad... even so I can't help but feel regret for the things I did and said.

Women who have had miscarriages will feel badly about it, even though they have done nothing wrong. So I can only imagine how some women who have had abortions might feel about that later on, when the reality of what they have done begins to sink in. I'm not saying all women will regret it, and many of them will buy into the kind of response I'm anticipating from you about this... I'm no longer a liberal, but that doesn't mean I've forgotten how liberals 'reason'.

Anyway, there's no point in my responding to your response before you've responded, so I'll just have to wait for it.

15. май 2013, 03:03:41
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Gladstone was a British PM governing yall with THAT philosophy? Hoo boy... I feel your pain.
(V): "Please... stop with the stereotyping of women as being the only ones in the loop re birth control."

So how do propose I stop doing what I haven't done? You keep pulling words out of thin air, and then talk as though they are my words. Why do you do that? Please... stop making stuff up and claiming I've said things I've never said to fit with your stereotyping of me.

And by the way, calling abortion birth control is like calling genocide population control. I don't care how clever you think you are, or how you try to sugar coat abortion... it is what it is.

15. май 2013, 14:09:33
Mort 
Относно: Re: stop making stuff up and claiming I've said things I've never said to fit with your stereotyping of me.
Iamon lyme: Hey... Dude. I'm only asking you to clarify yourself, as some items are not clear. But you seem to be just blaming women.

You blame Feminists. ... sorry, I missed that period of equal rights being called for.

"And by the way, calling abortion birth control is like calling genocide population control. I don't care how clever you think you are, or how you try to sugar coat abortion... it is what it is."

Wow... Heavy Dude, do you think you could use less extreme talk. It don't make your argument bigger.

N' what are you blaming me for?

Your reactions??

15. май 2013, 16:37:25
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: stop making stuff up and claiming I've said things I've never said to fit with your stereotyping of me.
(V): "N' what are you blaming me for?"

I'm blaming you for blaming me for blaming women. This has all come from you, dude. The only one playing the blame game here has been you... and you're still doing it. Do you think women are stupid, and all you have to do is to say someone blames them and they will all automatically believe you?

11. май 2013, 21:25:11
Iamon lyme 
Относно: Re: Churchill knew what he was talking about when he said if you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart... I think you know the rest of the quote.
(V): "The 50's golden age for the USA... Paid for by the USA government via the Marshall Plan. They gave money to Europe and Japan, we used it to buy American merchandise from American companies.... hence creating a false cash flow bonanza for American companies."

You are so focused on money you could have become a banker, or an economist... or a doctor, or lawyer. Didn't anyone ever tell you that money can't buy you love? Or happiness?

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