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31. октомври 2004, 12:40:49
snowseal 
Относно: 4x4x4
I have got a 4x4x4 game at home, you cannot place the pieces everyware, you have to start at the lowest layer and then work you way up, very interesting game

15. октомври 2004, 09:48:21
Hrqls 
not in a 4x4x4 board (cube)

you will run out of the board

try it on paper

.... .... .... ....
.... .... .... ....
.... .... .... ....
.... .... .... ....

those are the 4 layers .... place on top of each other

15. октомври 2004, 07:08:41
Kevin 
If you can place a piece anywhere, to connect four is very trivial for player 1 to force.

14. октомври 2004, 15:03:31
Hrqls 
Относно: 3d line 4
no gravity .. its like the five in line game .. you can place your pieces anywhere

14. октомври 2004, 02:04:04
BuilderQ 
By the way, here's another variant:
CRISS CROSSING FOUR IN A ROW

14. октомври 2004, 01:59:49
BuilderQ 
Относно: Re: 3d line 4
What sort of "gravity" exists in this variant? Or can pieces always be placed in any of the 64 spaces?

10. октомври 2004, 23:37:55
keops 
Относно: Re: Spiders
nice pattern :)

10. октомври 2004, 20:43:20
BuilderQ 
Относно: Spiders
Well, click here to see one possilbe web pattern.

9. октомври 2004, 18:48:02
rod03801 
Относно: Spiders
I like that, BuilderQ! ... maybe some sort of web throughout the board too? (dim, so as not to look TOO "busy")

9. октомври 2004, 16:49:09
BuilderQ 
Относно: Spiders
Based on the example of Froglet's success, I wonder if the popularity of Spider Line 4/tris could be elevated through the use of pieces with a more thematic quality. Click here for an example of what I mean. :)

8. октомври 2004, 04:24:32
coan.net 
Yea, I thought it would be cool if any full line would disaprear.

7. октомври 2004, 23:44:13
pauloaguia 
I just found out (though it says so on the rules) that only the borders can disapear. A complete line in the middle of the board will remain there... (too bad, the game was being interesting)

But now, what if, after removing a full line in one of the borders, another full line takes its place? Is this one removed as well?

7. октомври 2004, 14:42:45
Hrqls 
Относно: 3d line 4
i came here to post a suggestion for a variation but found out Sprietzsche already posted abot it in the past

noone ever comment about it though ?

are there any reasons why noone responded about an 4x4x4 board for line 4 ?

26. септември 2004, 19:31:34
Fencer 
No, even in this case the rules are the same as for Spider Line4. All squares between target position and the corresponding wall must be filled.

26. септември 2004, 17:28:33
BuilderQ 
Относно: Rules
Can pieces left floating (unconnected to any edge or other pieces touching the edge) serve as bases to stack from?
Maybe the description of this board should be modified? :)

24. септември 2004, 21:52:06
Retired on 2700 
Относно: Re: Prefered colour?
Yeah I find it a little easier playing black

Thanks :)

24. септември 2004, 16:27:59
BuilderQ 
Относно: Re: Prefered colour?
I would say black. Zugzwang generally forces white to be the one to complete the bottom row, enabling black to stack four vertically in the newly-created spaces at the top

24. септември 2004, 15:49:40
Retired on 2700 
Относно: Prefered colour?
If you had 2 top linetris players evenly matched, then who has the advantage, is it white or black?

11. септември 2004, 12:50:05
Fencer 
Then I should add it. Thanks for notifying me.

10. септември 2004, 20:26:50
BuilderQ 
No, it isn't mentioned in the rules, but thanks for the clarification.

10. септември 2004, 08:26:59
Fencer 
Isn't it mentioned in rules? When only one column remains, a piece can be placed on top of opponent's last piece.

7. септември 2004, 20:16:24
BuilderQ 
Относно: Spider Linetris sounds exciting
As for a spider web shape... the spaces have to be a shape that can tessellate. Or is it the general shape of the board that we are talking about?

7. септември 2004, 13:21:56
Retired on 2700 
Относно: Re:
yeh hexagons, pentagons, octagons or whatever seems to work. It will be an intresting concept

4. септември 2004, 23:32:28
Kevin 
By "Spiders Web shape" do you mean hexagons? (ie: 3 directions to create lines rather than four?)

4. септември 2004, 18:32:42
Retired on 2700 
Относно: Spider Linetris!
Geez! Sounds crazy!! I would be absolutely gutted if a line just totally disappeared after spending hard work building up a win! lol! Just the thought of trying to work out the new moves Spider Linetris would create is hurting my head! lol! Sounds good though, maybe worth trying, as one line disappearing could turn a game completely on its head!

How about changing the square shape board to a Spiders Web shape! As BBW said, 12x12, & Web shaped would be cool. Have the middle space reserved for a spider there..and call the spider SPIDERM4TT!! lol :-)

3. септември 2004, 07:41:37
mangue 
Interresting question! It is certainly draw before the board is completed if there is no legal move

3. септември 2004, 04:16:34
BuilderQ 
Относно: When there is only one column left...
What happens? Does the restriction against playing on top of the last piece prevent the final column from being filled?

1. септември 2004, 22:34:15
Kevin 
Yep, it does! I'll have to experiment with it a bit and see how it works! At least it would get rid of those pesky occasional draws... :-)

1. септември 2004, 22:31:53
Kevin 
Nope, except I keep losing to the TitOT software...as both colours...lol :-)

Seems like a fun game though!

1. септември 2004, 21:25:51
rod03801 
Spider Linetris sounds really interesting!

1. септември 2004, 21:22:22
Fencer 
Just the outside wall would disappear and everything else shifts that way. If you fill two walls at once [corner move], both lines disappear and everything shifts diagonally.

1. септември 2004, 18:09:48
coan.net 
How would it work. Just the "outside" wall would disapear and everything else "shifts" that way, or would any line disapear and have everything else shift right or left to fill in the line.

(not to copy off too much from other sites), but I like how GT have a random piece placed on the board which both colors can use, and how they have a "black hole" space random on the board which NO player can place a piece - OF course they don't have those of the "spider" line games, just the normal line games, so i guess it would not be a copy there.

Also something that would be cool to try is some "special" shape boards. For example:

Square Wheel: 12x12 board with middle 4 spaces "blocked" out - BUT can build from the middle spaces also!

1. септември 2004, 15:46:21
Fencer 
Hey Line4 experts,
what would you say to Spider Linetris? Would it be an interesting variant? :-)

1. септември 2004, 09:51:43
Fencer 
Относно: Re: Euro 4
It would be very easy to implement on BK. Does anybody know more about that variant?

30. август 2004, 23:56:11
RAHVIN666 
builderQ
challenge me anytime you want a bit of practice ;O)

28. август 2004, 16:40:23
BuilderQ 
Are there any computer programs that play Spider Line4? I could do with a bit of practice. :)

27. август 2004, 03:53:51
BuilderQ 
Относно: Re: 9x9 Anti Line4
Yes, but strategy would be completely changed. Maybe draws would become too common? Still, it's something to look into...

I'd also like to see regular Line4 on a 9x9 board. :)

27. август 2004, 03:42:09
Key McKinnis 
Относно: 9x9 Anti Line4
I think that if this game was played on a 9x9 board, there would be no need for rules 2 and 3 on the game rules page for AntiLine4, what does everyone else think?

24. август 2004, 01:08:47
BuilderQ 
Относно: Euro 4
Does anyone know of a game site offering the variant Euro 4?

16. август 2004, 23:52:42
BuilderQ 
Относно: Connect Four Variant Solved: White Wins in Eight Moves
Rules: The variant is played on a 7x7 board. The first piece must be placed in the center; subsequently each new piece can be placed in any space orthogonally adjacent to an occupied space. The first player to get four in a row wins. The player who moves first shall be refered to as White, while the second player is Black.

The move tree below details how White can win in, at most, eight moves. Most of Black's moves are forced, and where there are options, each is played to conclusion.

1. d4 c4
2. d3 ...
Black can do either d5 or d2.

With 2. ... d5
3. d2 d1
4. c3 ...
Black can do either b3 or e3.

With 4. ... b3
5. e3 f3
6. f2 c5
7. e2 g2
8. c2*
1-0

With 4. ... e3
5. b3 a3
6. b4 e1
7. b5 b6
8. b2*
1-0

With 2. ... d2
3. d5 d6
4. c3 ...
Black can do either b3 or e3.

With 4. ... b3
5. e3 f3
6. e5 b2
7. c5 b5
8. f5*
1-0

With 4. ... e3
5. b3 a3
6. e5 b2
7. c5 b5
8. f5*
1-0

16. август 2004, 21:54:42
BuilderQ 
I'll post the complete game move tree once, and if, I can find it.

16. август 2004, 21:48:12
Kevin 
Ok, I guess it is a forced win for player 1 from the start...! :-)

16. август 2004, 21:46:26
Kevin 
It still doesn't appear to be a forced win for either player...

16. август 2004, 21:40:37
BuilderQ 
No, I meant that a piece could be placed anywhere that was orthogonally adjacent to the position of another piece.

16. август 2004, 21:38:35
Kevin 
Do you mean that it would be like players "shoot" their pieces from an edge and they travel until they hit another piece (ie: if a space was surrounded on all four sides no one could ever move to it)?

16. август 2004, 21:35:04
BuilderQ 
Yes, it would be an odd-sized board, like in the pente games, with only orthogonal sticking.

Once I have time for it, I'll do a little study to prove the first player's advantage.

16. август 2004, 21:25:48
Kevin 
If it had to be in the "center", it would have to be an odd-sized board. And I assume you mean only orthogonal "sticking" (ie: not diagonal)? I don't think it would be an easy win for the first player.

16. август 2004, 17:01:32
BuilderQ 
Maybe a variant in which pieces could stick to the sides of other pieces would be interesting.

Perhaps it could be that pieces would only stick to each other, and not to any side. White's first move would have to be in the center, and play would build out from there. Some sort of restriction would be needed to prevent it being an easy win for the first player, though.

16. август 2004, 04:33:34
2007 Lady 
Относно: Re: Game ID# 413449
Thanks Rod -- appreciate your time.
=^..^=

16. август 2004, 04:22:41
rod03801 
Относно: Re: Game ID# 413449
No, your opponent will not be able to play B2 at that point.

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