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9. september 2003, 23:11:38
Purple 
Onderwerp: Re:
No if Joe Cheater buys 10 memberships to try to "dutch" a tournament then Brainking has 10 new paid members. Site benefits. Still not fair I agree.

9. september 2003, 23:08:57
Andersp 
The site? you mean the players who win ?

9. september 2003, 23:05:00
Purple 
Onderwerp: Re:
Agreed LOL. But one positive is that the site will get more money.

9. september 2003, 22:59:50
Andersp 
not fair either :)

9. september 2003, 22:55:08
Purple 
Onderwerp: Re:
Yes but obviously pawns can cheat for free in unlimited numbers. Paying members at least have to cough up some money to cheat when it comes to tournaments.

9. september 2003, 22:43:26
Andersp 
LOL..did we discuss sales?..at least i discussed how fair it is to paying members to be excluded from a tournament.

and to avoid further misunderstandings:

my offer to Dano was just to prove how easy people can cheat anyway.:)

9. september 2003, 22:35:51
Stardust 
Onderwerp: Re: The rules
My two cents:
I have to agree with GothicInventor. One entry per household does seem reasonable to me. I have seen this same rule applied to everyday things like sale items in stores. I think it is reasonable for Mr.Trice to apply it in his tournament. Afterall,while the tournament may be played on BK it is owned and sponsered by Mr. Trice.
MHO

9. september 2003, 22:20:22
Andersp 
LOL..im happy for 60 :)

9. september 2003, 22:19:18
danoschek 
Onderwerp: Gubbe
<'))><
75-25 my final offer ... >8) ... ~*~

9. september 2003, 21:53:21
Andersp 
Maybe i should join and pm my password to Danoscheck LOL 60-40 Dano?

9. september 2003, 21:51:54
Fencer 
I think that $3000 tournament is the only one with some restrictions.

9. september 2003, 21:42:54
Jason 
just an idea , they would stand out from the crowd so to speak more easily , also prize tournaments seem to have extra restrictions

9. september 2003, 21:40:40
Andersp 
Thats ok Fencer..i know you think its fair that pawns can win $3000 but not a married paying member...you have your opinion and i have mine.

9. september 2003, 21:38:10
Fencer 
Andersp: What about tournaments like "only for girls, only for boys, Europe players", should I forbid them? The membership description says that you can play as many tournaments as you want. There is nothing about "all possible tournaments, especially prize ones". I would also have to add something like "you can create your own tournaments but these tournaments must be open to everyone, you cannot add your own rules". It doesn't seem to be logical to me.
jason: Why prize tournaments should have their own page?

9. september 2003, 21:37:11
Purple 
Onderwerp: Re:
I am going to be starting a prize tournament with something like $25 to the winner..open to paying members only. There will be no limit on the number of nics they can purchase a membership for to get a crack at the $25. Fencer shouldn't mind that. :o)

9. september 2003, 21:29:09
Jason 
maybe prize tournaments should have thier own page ... away from standard tournaments ,what do you think fencer ?

9. september 2003, 21:28:56
Andersp 
maybe you should add :

"but if you are married there are some tournaments only one of your wife and you can join" :)

9. september 2003, 21:27:11
Fencer 
How would you change it?

9. september 2003, 21:21:46
Andersp 
Brain Rooks

"The player is not limited by number of started games at once nor number of moves per day nor number of joined tournaments"

Hmmmmmmm ? maybe this should be changed?

9. september 2003, 21:05:43
danoschek 
Onderwerp: Age Restriction :D
That's okay - we call that business-entry age
and 12-14 years are tolerable as limit ... ~*~

PS e.g. the father who has signed for his 5 years
old girl being brainknight merely be excluded ...

9. september 2003, 21:01:03
Grim Reaper 
Onderwerp: Re: Danoschek's remark
I just have to disagree with this on principal, since money is at stake. If you are going to sit there and tell me a 5 year old girl is not going to get input from 'daddy' when there is a chance to win $3000, then you have to ask yourself what planet you are from.

If you want to play in a tournament with your kids, there are plenty out there for them to experience.

Read the rules for just about any contest here and you see ONE PER HOUSEHOLD.

It is not possible to AUDIT online participants. I suspect several of the pawn IDs that were made on the same day the tournament was announced are really duplicates of the same person.

9. september 2003, 20:57:56
Andersp 
Sorry Fencer, you are the genious..not me :)

9. september 2003, 20:56:47
Andersp 
LOL Jason..guess who my favorite opponent is?..and
in Eds tournaments im not allow to whupp her!! :)

9. september 2003, 20:56:04
danoschek 
Onderwerp: Re: The rules
No !
especially the spirit of those so called rules makes no sense altogether.

As previously ignored, CaoZ' siblings are strong enough
to play any tourney here on their own strength ...

and who could stop anyone from cheating anway ...
ever've heard of telephone ?? ( basic technics in Europe )
it cAn deprive you from the need of living
in the same household with any imaginable helper ...

Again I second the idea to exclude pawns from the Championship,
3000$ should be luring enough to afford 10$ for a Knight-Strike ...

or - as peacepickle said - revealing sensible personal data
prematurely should (if anyway) be obligatory only for pawns ... ~*~

9. september 2003, 20:55:45
Fencer 
Andersp: How would you cover all "cheatholes"? Please give me a 100% working solution and I will use it.

9. september 2003, 20:54:25
Jason 
i have a question while on this subject , we have two paying members here me & judd on separte pcs, so with some of the comment maybe people think we cheat ??
i assure you i kick his backside as much as possible lol its the only way he can improve in his games , when he starts to win me i have achieved my goal ..... not because i let him win

9. september 2003, 20:50:44
bumble 
Andersp: but it is Gothic Inventor's tournament.
'He who pays the piper calls the tune' - or, he who pays the winner makes the rules.

9. september 2003, 20:46:00
Andersp 
Fencer, my suggestion is that "cheatholes" should be covered in advance.
If Eds 8 family members are paying members at BK they should have every right to play in ANY TOURNAMENT.

9. september 2003, 20:41:19
Grim Reaper 
Onderwerp: The rules
The rules are made just to frame the context of the event, and prohibit those from abusing them. Suppose all 8 of my family members were in the tournament, wouldn't people be a little suspicious? Could not one of my children say 'Daddy what would you do in this position?'. Would I have to audit every one of the games in the tournament to make sure I was not accidentally helping one of my own kids win?

Just think about it for a minute, and I am sure the SPIRIT of the rule makes sense.

If you agree with the spirit of the rule, I can extend acceptions. Like Fencer said, it is my tournament.

I just want to close the doors on cheaters.

9. september 2003, 20:26:40
Fencer 
Andersp: I don't think it's fair but it is not me who provides the $3000 prize, I simply cannot order Ed to change his rules. It's his money, not mine. Or what do you suggest?

9. september 2003, 20:13:50
Andersp 
Fencer:
So you think its fair that non paying pawns can play but i cant if my wife signs up.
Thanks for your answer

9. september 2003, 20:11:30
Fencer 
Andersp: There are no limits for standard tournaments. However, every tournament director can define his own additional rules. If somebody doesn't like his rules, can sign up for another tournament. As a Brain Rook you can start as many tournaments of your own choice as you want to.

9. september 2003, 19:14:24
coan.net 
Even though I can not speak for GothicInventor, I would think if you discussed it with him, and he knew exactly what is going on - he may allow it - but again, you would probable have to talk to him.

He is a nice guy, but at the same time he does not want people who are trying to cheat in the tournament. :-)

9. september 2003, 19:07:19
Andersp 
Have no intention to play in the $3000 tournament but for future similar tournaments i would like to know:

My wife and i are both paying members (rooks) but only one of us is allowed to participate because we are in the same household.
This means that one of us paying members cant play while not paying pawns are welcome?
Doesnt make sense to me.

9. september 2003, 17:23:33
WhisperzQ 
Onderwerp: Re: F*** - in - LINE....1800+
I think it was farce but they couldn't count the asterisks :)

9. september 2003, 16:54:20
coan.net 
Onderwerp: Re: F*** - in - LINE....1800+
I miss all the good stuff!

Now I'll never know what "F***" was - it will be bothering me all day!

Fork-in-line 1800+
Food-in-line 1800+
Face-in-line 1800+
Flip-in-line 1800+

.... ugh!

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF) :-)

9. september 2003, 15:57:30
Purple 
Onderwerp: Re:
This is not the first time Fencer has stepped in to stop that kind of thing before it got started. A lot of folks may not know but his vigilance has spared the site some very unsavory stuff. Our thanks.

9. september 2003, 15:23:22
sandra... 
thank you fencer

9. september 2003, 15:19:43
Fencer 
Onderwerp: Re: F*** - in - LINE....1800+
I've just removed the "F***" word and sent him a warning.

9. september 2003, 15:18:38
Grim Reaper 
Onderwerp: Re: F*** - in - LINE....1800+
I can't believe a BrainRook that has been around since April would create a tournament name like that. What was he thinking?

9. september 2003, 15:08:48
Fencer 
Another place to apply my filter.

9. september 2003, 14:52:23
Andersp 
Onderwerp: F*** - in - LINE....1800+
Nice name for a tournament ?
Didnt someone say we should protect underaged players?

8. september 2003, 21:55:05
danoschek 
Onderwerp: Janus and Fortress, Prize Tourneys terminated.
My apologies to all who had patience for quite a while ...
But after almost a month without the required 15 players
signing up, I sadly had to close them now ... :/

The Janus Tourney will be re-opened around end of october ...

To attract a higher number of occasional players I'll create
a Crowded Backgammon Prize Tourney (Pawns only) ...

For more paying members on a site worth it. ~*~

8. september 2003, 13:21:59
Stevie 
Onderwerp: BEST NAVY TOURNY
Running out of time to sign up for my best navy boats tourny.
UK is full, 2 more needed for USA/CAN ,4 more for Europe, 5 more KM's and none yet for the rest of world. :o(

8. september 2003, 12:58:10
WhisperzQ 
Onderwerp: Re: Fencer's taxes
At least you will get to deduct the cost of the new server(s) from your Swreg income (LOL)

8. september 2003, 11:00:30
rabbitoid 
Onderwerp: Re:
I suppose I'd have to declare it here. R i g h t, I'll do my best not to win anything :)

8. september 2003, 10:54:46
Fencer 
rabbitoid: My BrainKing income is collected on Swreg.org which is a part of Atlantic Coast [a British company]. When I ask [usually once a month], they send me the current amount via wire transfer and don't charge any taxes. It is always a subject to tax here in Czech Republic.

8. september 2003, 10:48:23
rabbitoid 
...my salary, which is being taxed like hell...

mine is as well. this is one area where France is not far behind the US...

however, I have no idea how anything on the internet is taxed, and by whom.

8. september 2003, 10:42:13
Grim Reaper 
All I know when I am on travel ouside the US, my salary, which is being taxed like hell, is not subject to tax, so the more often I am away, the more I get back on my tax return.

8. september 2003, 10:39:04
Fencer 
Onderwerp: Re: The form
On the other hand I am not sure if it is applicable for anything else than "art royalties". Maybe Ed could bring some light to this dark area :-)

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