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23. Elokuu 2005, 21:54:47
AbigailII 
Otsikko: Re:
Fencer: Shog variants page on Wikipedia.

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:45:28
ughaibu 
Okay, I clicked your link. There is a bigger variant taikyoku shogi on a 36x36 board. I dont know if anyone plays these. Chuu shogi on a 12x12 board is quite popular in Europe.

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:44:05
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re:
ughaibu: Yes, 25x25. Looks weird to me.

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:41:23
ughaibu 
By tai shogi do you mean on a 25x25 board?

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:40:40
ughaibu 
Kyoto shogi is an excellent game, a weirder variant is renge shogi, a kind of 7x7 version of Kyoto shogi but all the captured pieces are available to both players except that a player can only checkmate with a drop if using a piece captured by him/herself. Tori shogi is an interesting 7x7 variant from the 18th century but requires different pieces. Using the normal board and pieces, annan shogi in which pieces take on the movements of any piece on the adjoining square behind them and kingyounofun shogi in which pieces drag adjoining pieces behind them, are both fun and interesting.
Fencer: if you want detailed rules for any of these please message me.

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:32:31
Fencer 
What about Tai Shogi, anybody has a real experience with it?

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:31:21
Fwiffo 
Maybe Kyoto Shogi? It has some funny/remarkable changes from Shogi:
"In kyoto, there is no promotion: at the conclusion of every move the piece that moved must be reversed."
It is also played on 5x5, but with 2x5 pieces. Here is the site: http://www.drjochum.de/ (click on the link)
I haven't played it, I leave it to the expert Shogi players to judge :) but looks fun to me.

I found some larger Shogi Variants but to me they look to slow for a turn-based site.

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:11:41
AbigailII 
Otsikko: Re: Shogi variants
Fencer: Anti-Shogi, Extinguish Shogi, ???-Relay Shogi, Atomic Shogi, Cylinder Shogi, ... <tt>;-)</tt>

23. Elokuu 2005, 21:03:38
andreas 
Otsikko: Re: Shogi variants
Fencer: My favorite is Minishogi. I play it quite often with Zillions-of-Games.

23. Elokuu 2005, 20:58:43
Fencer 
Otsikko: Shogi variants
Could somebody recommend a good Shogi variant which would be worth implementing?

23. Elokuu 2005, 20:58:09
Fencer 
Uh-huh.

23. Elokuu 2005, 09:10:00
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re:
Muokannut Spirou (23. Elokuu 2005, 16:59:35)
Fencer: Another example there:

http://gamelab.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/SHOGI/kifumain.html


The main thing are the signs characters. The pentagonal shapes are nice but secondary, because the orientation of the characters shows the owners.
The above example is exactly what I think about.

[Edited by playBunny to make the link work. it gives a list of recorded matches. Then click any of the Java links to see the board and play through the game.]

23. Elokuu 2005, 09:04:46
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re:
Spirou: Do you mean just the Japanese characters without surrounding pentagonal shapes?

23. Elokuu 2005, 08:55:20
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re:
Muokannut Spirou (23. Elokuu 2005, 09:00:32)
Fencer: Because the majority or at least many of the shogi web sites and books are using ... (I don't know the technical name) 'simplified' Japanese pieces, would you be so kind as to propose also this kind of pieces, please?
A clear and superb example is displayed in (you have to scroll down) : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C3%B4gi so you can watch the signs I write for.
I hope I am not trying to abuse of your amiability but it could be, again, a real improvement.

23. Elokuu 2005, 08:04:09
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re:
Fencer: Fine! Now one can invite asiatics players. Alas for me, I lost the email addresses from players at chessvariants. Some are very strong.

23. Elokuu 2005, 03:04:35
TKR101010 
Otsikko: Hooray for kanji!
Thank you! :)

23. Elokuu 2005, 01:35:34
takodori 
Otsikko: Re:
Fencer: Great!! Now we can select westernized or Japanese pieces according to users' preference.

22. Elokuu 2005, 21:53:45
Fencer 
Try Settings / Shogi page.

22. Elokuu 2005, 10:55:45
takodori 
Otsikko: Re: Colour
Fencer: Thanks for giving me the reason and your intention that it will be changed in the future.

22. Elokuu 2005, 09:51:29
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re: Colour
takodori: This is the reason. But it will be changed in the future.

22. Elokuu 2005, 03:58:45
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re: Colour
Muokannut Spirou (22. Elokuu 2005, 03:59:04)
takodori: My hypothesis: as the "sente" starts first, I presume, in order to not disturb the used chess players "sente" is named "white".

22. Elokuu 2005, 03:29:26
takodori 
Otsikko: Colour
In shogi, the player who makes first move has been called "black"("sente" in Japanese) and the other player has been called "white"("gote" in Japanese) in English as far as I know. Is there any particular reason why this site reverse the colours of players?

22. Elokuu 2005, 03:13:10
takodori 
Otsikko: Rules on Draw
I think the Rules on draw of this site should mention to "Sennichite" and "Jishogi" referring to the following page;
http://www.ricoh.co.jp/SHOGI/rules/erules.html#DRA

20. Elokuu 2005, 16:57:41
nosovs 
Otsikko: Shogi Page
The main shogi Page
http://www.shogi.net/shogi.html
FESA - European Shogi Federation
If someone interesting links on Russian , I can send this information

20. Elokuu 2005, 10:58:13
Fwiffo 
<Spirou & TKR101010> Thank you both! I will look at the sites soon, and Spirou I'll try to learn the japanese signs. It's probably worth it!

takodori> this is a great help already.

20. Elokuu 2005, 04:08:30
takodori 
Otsikko: Piece Values
<The piece values in descending order are as followings;
Rook > Bishop > Gold > Silver > Knight > Lance > Pawn
In general, seeking for material advantage is good in the middlegame.

19. Elokuu 2005, 23:24:02
TKR101010 
Otsikko: Shogi Links
Hi Fwiffo :)
On one of my Yahoo pages I have some Shogi links listed that I've found useful. Check 'em out ...
http://www.geocities.com/phoenix_tkar/Shogi.html

19. Elokuu 2005, 21:31:23
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re:
Fwiffo: I wish to add: don't lost courage because the japanese signs on the pieces. After some games you will become very used. I know about what I say, because personaly I didn't found that so weird after +/- 10 games.
It is also the very sole mean to learn Shogi, all articles are with those characters and Shogi deserved that little training ;-).
Enjoy!!

19. Elokuu 2005, 20:53:07
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re:
Fwiffo: Is that kind of web sites you search for?:

http://yamajunn.hp.infoseek.co.jp/

http://www.shogi.net/ISC/

Could that help.

19. Elokuu 2005, 20:43:12
Fwiffo 
Thanks! I recognise the portal from some earlier google searches... but links to shogi seem to lead to broken pages, pages in japanese or too difficult pages.

If I find anything useful I'll post it, but I have not much hope.

19. Elokuu 2005, 20:00:20
Fwiffo 
Does anyone know a site where the "Shogi basics" are explained?

19. Elokuu 2005, 10:05:44
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re: A problem to play a move.
Fencer:

19. Elokuu 2005, 09:38:48
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re: A problem to play a move.
Spirou: I know what happened but you don't want to know it.

19. Elokuu 2005, 09:09:03
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re: A problem to play a move.
Muokannut Spirou (19. Elokuu 2005, 09:13:41)
Fencer: I don't know what happened, now I can move and it is done.

19. Elokuu 2005, 08:07:58
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re: A problem to play a move.
The game is the : Game ID: 977044, Match ID: 33243.

19. Elokuu 2005, 07:01:47
Spirou 
Otsikko: A problem to play a move.
Muokannut Spirou (19. Elokuu 2005, 07:02:53)
Fencer: In my game with Nasmichael, I play G-3b, click move and play another person. After that the same game with Nasmichael comes again without my move G-3b as if I didn't had play.
I have repeated this operation 3 times, allways the same result.

18. Elokuu 2005, 15:54:03
Mirjam 
@Fencer: I see it now :) thanks!

18. Elokuu 2005, 14:44:17
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re: game rules
Mirjam: 1) Can be fixed. 2) Backward is contained in "vertically" :-)

18. Elokuu 2005, 14:03:06
Mirjam 
Otsikko: game rules
I think I've found two mistakes in the game rules, one little: "captured pieces could be returned to the board and player's own."
"and" should be "as" I think.
And the bigger one, but I'm not sure it's a mistake:
"A golden general moves one space horizontally, vertically or diagonally forward." I thought he can also move one space backward.

15. Elokuu 2005, 12:02:15
Bernice 
Fencer, Frolind, Marficka.....sorry I took on more than I could chew :(

but then you look good and I look bad so there isnt any worries L)

12. Elokuu 2005, 23:15:34
Karterovrontis 
Otsikko: Thanks, Fencer
Thank you for implementing shogi and xiangqi!

I know that you are working out bugs for these new additions and recognize that this will have a significant claim on your attention.

Perhaps in the future the options for new game of shogi will include the possibility of a handicap to be set based on the differential in BKR?

The traditional handicap system in shogi has always appealed to me, since it has allowed a weak player like myself to have an enjoyable game with strong opponents over the table. I hope that you would agree that it could enhance the enjoyment of play on BrainKing, too.

Once again, thank you very much for including these games!

12. Elokuu 2005, 22:35:41
Fencer 
All right, give me the checkmate now.

12. Elokuu 2005, 22:12:09
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re: Dropping a Gold at 6h
Spirou: I'll look at it.

12. Elokuu 2005, 22:07:26
Spirou 
Otsikko: Dropping a Gold at 6h
Muokannut Spirou (12. Elokuu 2005, 22:07:55)
Fencer: when I drop my Gold at 6h in our game, after I clicked "Move to main page" the PC displays a white screen excepting the titles from my browser.
I tried 4 or 5 times, allways the same result.
A little bug???

12. Elokuu 2005, 21:21:50
votacommunista 
Otsikko: shogi in de-wikipedia
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dgi

I added the link to brainking :-)

12. Elokuu 2005, 13:35:12
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re: Shogi
Fencer: Perfect! Thank you. Now I will ask again for new games.

I am hoping for asian characters soon that say not too later. I am sure accustomed Xiangqi and shogi players are waiting for that ;-).

Anyway, congratulations for the job already done :-)

12. Elokuu 2005, 13:20:02
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re: Shogi
Spirou: That's better.

12. Elokuu 2005, 13:13:06
Spirou 
Otsikko: Re: Shogi
Fencer: Correct! But actually the Bishop is on the right hand for the player in second ;-)

12. Elokuu 2005, 13:09:06
Fencer 
Otsikko: Re: Shogi
Spirou: A bishop is always on the left side (from each player's perspective).

12. Elokuu 2005, 13:05:07
Spirou 
Otsikko: Shogi
Muokannut Spirou (25. Joulukuu 2005, 00:43:03)
Fencer, I am quite sure the Bishop and Rook for the player who plays in second are to be inversed. To be clearer, the Bishop should start at b8 and the Rook at b2.

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