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15. Joulukuu 2017, 22:15:36
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
ketchuplover: $2.45 please.

15. Joulukuu 2017, 20:00:02
crosseyed 
Otsikko: Re: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
ketchuplover: In your dreams.

15. Joulukuu 2017, 19:15:30
ketchuplover 
Otsikko: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
Me thinks it's time for a brainking.com membership fire sale. 75% off all paid membership through the end of 2017. Prices so hot they're on fire! Void where prohibited. Non-Sectarian. Not for profit.

9. Joulukuu 2017, 16:20:35
Hrqls 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
playBunny: lol ... or visit me on jijbent.nl ;-)

9. Joulukuu 2017, 01:07:15
playBunny 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: against most opponents it's usually point 3 or 5 ... but against you, from now on, it will be point 4 :-)

Lol. Then I shall make a point of seeking calmness and tranquillity of mind.

3. Joulukuu 2017, 10:49:19
Carpe Diem 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Aganju: Yes, my opponent was going to be up against that limit a few moves later, and I was aware of it. I don't believe there was any malicious intent here; just a matter of them wanting to get as many pieces home as they could, I suppose.

30. Marraskuu 2017, 14:16:19
Aganju 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: well said.

Btw, Halma has a rule that you _must_ remove all your pieces from your own home after N moves, or you automatically lose. Although N is I think 30 or 50 depending on board size, and that is quite high. It is a bit like the 50-move rule in chess - only that one turned out to be too short after all, as now there are endgames known that force mate in more than 50 moves.

30. Marraskuu 2017, 09:27:52
Carpe Diem 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Muokannut Carpe Diem (30. Marraskuu 2017, 09:29:35)
Glad I brought this up; some very interesting points.

I've been thinking about this a bit more, and I guess my perspective is shaped by the fact that when I was young, I played and organized a lot of tournament chess, and that's one game that, past the beginner stage, is not often played to the end. If it was, there would be some painful games. In some other games resigning is almost a foreign concept. Take a couple of the most popular games on this site - you're not eliminated until the final move in Ludo, and Dice Poker and Backgammon aren't usually decided with THAT many moves remaining. Battleboats, Logik, and numerous others - basically no resigning. There are lots of other games like that. If one is used to games where resignation isn't standard, perhaps it doesn't occur to one to ever resign.

I had thought of taking away the "glory" of the victory, and that maybe some people don't like that. It's why I often don't bother in games like the different "line" games (Pente, Connect6, Line4, etc) - you usually don't know you've lost until you're a couple of moves away from losing (or you'd do something about it!), so I figure my opponent is more likely to want to go to the end than be done slightly sooner. 

Achievements are definitely something I didn't think of. I'll try to be mindful of possible achievements when considering resigning in the future. 

The kind of games I think could use a little more resignations would be ones like Mancala. It plays quickly enough so it's not a big deal, but there's no game where it's easier to see when you've lost. Thankfully I've never been stuck in a dragged out game of Frog Legs, which is already one of the most painfully long games as-is. :) The one that brought on the mini-rant was a game of Halma where I had moved all my pieces to the opponent's home, and they still had one piece left there and lots to move to my home. I had to move back and forth for several moves while they move their other pieces home, and then they finally moved that last which enabled me to win. Seemed kind of silly.

But really, even though I decided to share my little rant with everyone, it isn't that big of a deal to me. Just something to think about, and some of you gave me more to think about. :)

30. Marraskuu 2017, 08:30:29
Hrqls 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
playBunny: good points :-)

against most opponents it's usually point 3 or 5 ... but against you, from now on, it will be point 4 :-)

30. Marraskuu 2017, 01:41:25
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
playBunny: yes! I feel deprived if the other resigns before I make the winning move. I'm not offended if the game goes on, but I will resign if there's no hope for me, and we both have several pieces left.

29. Marraskuu 2017, 20:49:21
Clandestine 1 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Aganju:that’s a good point. Some people collect Achievement points whereas others have no idea what they are. 

29. Marraskuu 2017, 19:07:10
Aganju 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Clandestine 1: I especially hate being resigned on in the Dice Poker games. Several times I had managed to get 'Values in all Boxes', and my opponent resigned two moves before the end, denying me the achievement.

But generally, I agree.
If the game is mathematically lost, you should resign. There are other sites where this is implemented (the game just ends), but it is not trivial to code that for each game.

29. Marraskuu 2017, 18:50:04
playBunny 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: it's OK to resign! [,,,] why drag things out?

It might surprise you but for some people, it's not. They'd rather play the loss than resign it. It may or may not be related to suicide versus natural death. ;o)

Another possibility is that the person thinks that they're doing you a favour by giving you the satisfaction of the final, winning, move. I do know that I sometimes feel robbed of that minor pleasure when someone resigns close to the end.

A third possibility is that "mathematically eliminated" does not always occur to the non-mathematically minded.

A fourth ... an opponent might be resentful of the loss and dragging it out to punish you.

The most likely, I would guess, is thoughtlessness or mindlessness; the force of habit.... The game appears, the player moves, on to the next....

29. Marraskuu 2017, 15:08:20
Clandestine 1 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: I think sometimes opponents try to see how many moves in a day they can make. Even a losing move/game counts as a move made. 

29. Marraskuu 2017, 13:39:44
crosseyed 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: That is if they do not have the message box cancelled.

29. Marraskuu 2017, 13:38:20
crosseyed 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: Yes I agree with you on that. So when I have that situation I resign and explain why.

29. Marraskuu 2017, 10:06:06
Carpe Diem 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: Yeah, I certainly could, but I don't feel strongly enough to bother with that most of the time - just enough tonight for a small rant on the boards instead. :) And in this particular case, it's someone with in-game comments shut off. I feel better now anyway. :D

29. Marraskuu 2017, 10:02:57
Hrqls 
Otsikko: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: send a pm to your opponent, and ask them in the comments in the game .. most will resign after you ask them

29. Marraskuu 2017, 09:28:00
Carpe Diem 
Otsikko: Resigning
Brief rant - it's OK to resign! I understand playing a game through to the end, especially when there is the possibility of some learning coming out of it. But once you are mathematically eliminated, and nothing is to be gained even in terms of knowledge, why drag things out? 

/rant

24. Marraskuu 2017, 23:53:00
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
rod03801: ok thanks.

24. Marraskuu 2017, 23:09:25
rod03801 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie:
No, your opponent was a pawn. Took your King and promoted to a Rook.
Just use the move arrows to go back 1 move.

24. Marraskuu 2017, 20:04:02
Carnie 
Dice Chess (Chosuliatko vs. Carnie)

This looks like the rook took my king by moving from the corner.

19. Marraskuu 2017, 08:57:44
Hrqls 
Otsikko: Re: Can't claim draw after 10 times repetition of moves
evertVB: please send a private message to fencer

19. Marraskuu 2017, 00:32:42
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
rod03801: okay no problem

19. Marraskuu 2017, 00:32:22
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Bernice: no i dont work

18. Marraskuu 2017, 23:20:54
Aganju 
Otsikko: Re:
rod03801: or on facebook.

18. Marraskuu 2017, 22:23:21
rod03801 
General Chat, Like "Hello"s, really SHOULD be on the General Chat board not this one. Thanks for understanding.

18. Marraskuu 2017, 21:13:50
evertVB 
Otsikko: Can't claim draw after 10 times repetition of moves
Hello,
In this game:
Grand Chess (evertVB vs. Hackingnop)
Is there any moderator that can help me claim draw?

18. Marraskuu 2017, 20:32:51
Bernice 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose: WOW...how can you sleep til noon? dont you work?

18. Marraskuu 2017, 20:18:09
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose: Awesome

18. Marraskuu 2017, 20:02:53
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: yes sleep most times to noon

18. Marraskuu 2017, 19:14:13
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose: Do you sleep late? I work evenings.

18. Marraskuu 2017, 19:12:36
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: ok

18. Marraskuu 2017, 19:11:57
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose: I slept til 11:30!

18. Marraskuu 2017, 19:08:55
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: how are you?

18. Marraskuu 2017, 18:40:27
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose:

18. Marraskuu 2017, 17:55:35
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: hi

18. Marraskuu 2017, 08:10:19
Carnie 
Thanks for the membership. Perfect to last til the end.

17. Marraskuu 2017, 21:46:27
crosseyed 
Otsikko: Re: Membership and the 16th November.
Carnie: But you did lol. So much for the sink ship comment and complaining about this site.

13. Marraskuu 2017, 05:52:19
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: i mean not only for you but for rest of people here. unless u gonna use brains

13. Marraskuu 2017, 04:39:02
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose: I probably won't.

13. Marraskuu 2017, 04:15:27
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: ok i sugguest dont buy anymore memberships

13. Marraskuu 2017, 03:20:03
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
Bernice: so far nothing like that has been taken from my account, just the email.

13. Marraskuu 2017, 03:17:39
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
Bernice: Good advice.

13. Marraskuu 2017, 03:15:02
Bernice 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: I agree with Hrqls....dont make it public like some do....he wont answer those ones....but he did say at one stage that there was no more fixing, so really there is no use complaining - only makes him more determined, but keep an eye on your credit card usage...a very close eye....

12. Marraskuu 2017, 16:36:05
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
Hrqls: ok

12. Marraskuu 2017, 09:11:23
Hrqls 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: send fencer a private message and he will look into it
give him some time to reply though

12. Marraskuu 2017, 06:56:29
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: sorry to hear about that

12. Marraskuu 2017, 05:48:18
Carnie 
Otsikko: Re:
heavenrose: Appears so.

12. Marraskuu 2017, 05:47:42
heavenrose 
Otsikko: Re:
Carnie: he maybe let site go down and not fix anything

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