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Bernice: You made an assumption by stating " it was nearly sold but Flip wanted way too much money." Surely the price would have been mentioned long before it was "nearly" sold? So how do you know that Flip wanted way too much money? Someone must have told you?
I got here 25th November 2002, the site was VERY new then (ony a couple of months & only had a few games). Its sad sometimes to look round or at my friends list and see how many players are no longer with us, ive met some great people here Still, as long as the sites here, i guess i will be, i just hope someone comes along who either joins Filip or takes it over just so the site will carry on and hopefully fix current bugs or better improve it. Right, thats my little bit.....back to games
I too have been here since Jan of 2003 and have no regrets. Fencer has done a wonderful job on this site and I thank him for all the work he has done to keep this site in good playing shape! Hope it will be around for many years to come.
I have been a paid member of this site since January 26,2003 and during that time I have played with no problems and I feel sure in that time things have happened to Fencer that would have kept me from playing but that has not happened, I will continue to pay and play as long as the site is up and running,thank you Fencer !
Justaminute: I don't follow your all argumentation. There are so many companies that sell life-time this-n-that, and they never specify the obvious - when they go out of business, of courseyou have nobody to go to.
I am still considering buying a life time membership, and the only thing that keeps me from it is that I currently have no need to act as I have still some years of rook. Nothing has changed comparing to five years ago, I still get exactly what I expect to get.
Some people have gotten the idea in their heads that they have the right to expect continuously more for less, and every offer in the world has to follow this. That is an unrealistic expectation, and shows complete ignorance of reality. Just because facebook and google and such give you new features all the time (and seem to be free), does not imply that that is a standard all have to follow.
I think generally, when you buy something, it should be clear what you get, and you should not make implicit assumptions about it becoming more in the background. The only reason to complain is if you not get what was explicitly promised when you bought - and this is not the case here. Nobody bought a membership with the claim that 'number of players and move will increase' or 'new features will come all the time'. That is your _imagination_, guys. So grow up and become realistic! What have _you_ recently done for free for the world outside of your normal work?
The number of players goes down because old people die and the next generation can't be bothered so much to play games where you need to think, and that don't have realistic-looking moving 3D graphics; that is hardly BKs fault.
I only hope when Fencer decides to put BK in the trash, he is willing to give it away to someone else to run instead of really deleting it.
Fencer: So, the awaited "big announcement" is, actually, nothing we did not know about.
Since it is obvious the site is a burden to you, I will certainly do my best to relieve you of this burden and I hope the other people here will decide to help you as well. Thus, as it is obvious, I am removing myself from this site as soon as my last game finishes.
ellieoop: it seems to me that pre 1 month ago a black rook would have a case for compensation. Ketchuplover suggestion is not unreasonable for the basis of the compensation.
I expect lifetime has been defined in the courts, plenty of companies offer lifetime guarantees. That definition will apply unless caveats exist which they did not before a month ago apparantly.
Fencer if you were in hosital for 6 months and the site was down for that time I would wish you a speedy and full recovery but would still expect to be compensated on your return by my membership being extended 6 months.
Fencer clearly you think buying Black rooks is illogical given your current plans. Would it not be better to remove this opyion all together? Language barriers might prevent some people understanding the warning.
ketchuplover: Ha, you have noticed. Actually, I added a special warning to the membership order page a month ago, and the warning shows up above the "Order" button if someone has a lifetime membership in the shopping cart. It clearly states that there is no guarantee that BrainKing will be there forever, so the order is at your own risk and there will be no refunds.
So, I was quite surprised that someone still paid for a black rook and I messaged this person with a question if he really meaned it. I even offered an instant refund, just in case that he didn't understand the warning. Still, he wanted to keep it. Such things happen.
"On the other hand no definition of lifetime and or guarantee of time has ever been given" - of course it has never been given. If I get run down by a bus tomorrow and spend 6 months in a hospital, there would be nobody else to keep an eye on the site. I am not sure if I ever mentioned it but I am the only one who maintains BrainKing since 2008. The other guy (Liquid) had decided to pursue his own projects and does not work with me anymore.
ellieoop: As long as the site is profitable, I will do my best to keep it going, of course. But since the situation can change every year, it would not be fair to claim that BrainKing would be here forever under all circumstances.
ketchuplover: I don't understand your post unless you're fencers partner or you're going to buy the site. you're telling fencer how he should go about paying back someone that bought a black rook. I'm sure fencer will know what to do. you are a guest, a lot of us have been playing and paying here since day 1, I would miss this site. I hope fencer can keep it going.. nobody is being forced to play here.
Justaminute: Anyone would think that this site was about to collapse with all this doom and gloom talk. IYT has not made any improvements since I last played there years ago and still runs okay. To me is looks dated compared to this site.
Justaminute: At least one person has bought a black rook membership this month. I think all black rook and black knight memberships(active and inactive if possible) should be converted to white rook and knight memberships and they be given a pro-rated refund based on the start date of their black memberships(if active)(and on length of their membership if inactive and they can be contacted of course. At least they should all be contacted (including inactives if possible) and given the refund option. On the other hand no definition of lifetime and or guarantee of time has ever been given (as far as I know)
Gabriel Almeida: While you are right there is no obligation to develop, I wonder what lifetime members feel about the site going on low maintenance. Mind you I doubt too many people have bought black rooks in the last few years if they have been reading the boards.
I like the site, and would like it to be improved. I have some suggestions I can send in private to Fencer. I think the site is dying and this "hurts " the expectations of those who like the site and are playing here for years. Paying members have more reasons because with that payment They showed a biggest link to BK. BUT... And this BUT is very important... Fencer has total legitimacy to do that! No one has a so strong right to decide that Fencer must spending his time developing BK instead other projects he might have. And more, he is keeping a fair position as he is available to sell the site.
I am unhappy with this dicrease of the site, but can not acuse Fencer of anything.
This is not a question of "good people" vs "bad people", it's a balance between personal legitim interests.
universe: Fencer is not forcing me to be a paid member. I prefer to be a paying member because I do not like restrictions. I do not expect too much from this site and I think this is the best games site to play games in. I do hope that Fencer will continue to run this site in any way possible. I think he should stop non paying member using the discussion boards and then there might be less moaning going on. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this site now.