.... All processed meat manufacturers in the UK have been told to check their beef products for traces of horse meat, after a batch of Findus beef lasagne's turned out to be made from....

.... 100% horse meat.

Butchers across the country are seeing even bigger rises in custom.

Morrison's are advertising that all their beef is 100% British.

... unlike other stores. ;P

.... Pantomime horses thankfully have not made it into the food chain!!

(V): If monkeys rule I'd fit right in!

Iamon lyme: mmmmm that reminds me that God is both male and female, and for that reason.. understanding is hard. :P

Artful Dodger: You might wake up to a world where monkey's rule... Jay and Silent Bob style... not Planet of the Apes. lol

Iamon lyme:

(V): tgif

(V): haha that would be fun. Wake me up in 100 years. I'd be like a cave man.

Iamon lyme: ..... you tried!!

Bad idea.... bad bad idea!! lol

Artful Dodger: A certain amount of weight is needed, structural strength being more essential imo... or nowadays.. airbags.

" It worked for Spock. Actually, there is a science behind that idea and as I understand it, it's theoretically possible. But I'll be dead before it's perfected."

.... you could always get frozen....

Iamon lyme: I gotta go. I have to take out the trash, do the dishes, and vacuum. After I'm finished with that I'll ask the boss, er my wife if there's anything else I have to do. Then I'll be back.

I'll show her who's boss!

Iamon lyme: Yeah, I've tried. I even tried to trade her in for an updated model but that didn't work out too well for me. I sang soprano for weeks! Fortunately I'm losing my hearing and I have a strong "ignore" feature built into my brain.

Artful Dodger: "My wife auto corrects me too."

There's no way to disable that feature with, uh, that particular model. I've tried, so I know.

Iamon lyme: My wife auto corrects me too.

Iamon lyme: I need to lose weight cuz I won't fit through the phone.

Artful Dodger: I had a cell phone a few years ago that auto corrected my text messages. I had to disable the auto correct feature because it would never let me type in the correct word. Ironic it, ain't it?

Artful Dodger: "Actually, there is a science behind that idea and as I understand it, it's theoretically possible. But I'll be dead before it's perfected."

Shoot, we'll all be dead before ipads are fixed so that they won't change words in your messages.

Artful Dodger: "Frankly I prefer telephoning"

Teleportation through the telephone lines?

(V): But you need weight for safety as well. Frankly I prefer telephoning but I can't get it to work for me. It worked for Spock. Actually, there is a science behind that idea and as I understand it, it's theoretically possible. But I'll be dead before it's perfected.

Artful Dodger: Now... cannot a car be well built and light. A gutted demolition derby car is light, yet the safety feature of the roll cage makes it safer than a SUV.

It's all a matter of how much safety is featured in the design.

When global warming (man made) is proven a total farce, the greeners will say that their efforts turned things around.

Iamon lyme: I can imagine the day when I have to pay a carbon tax every time I fart.

Artful Dodger: mmmm yes, or lightly sauteed with mushrooms in butter and garlic. But worms make me gassy, which is also troubling for scientists as there are already concerns that earthworms increase greenhouse gas emissions... eating them only exacerbates the problem.

Iamon lyme: well worms are quite tasty fried.

Artful Dodger: "They use this method in many abortions"

I know. I tried watching a video about how it's done and couldn't watch the whole thing. It makes me sick to my stomach. I'd rather eat worms than to see how it's done.

Artful Dodger: "There are concerns that earthworms increase greenhouse gas emissions, which troubles scientists since earthworm numbers are on the rise."

Uh oh. I need to go down and check to see if my underground bunker is well fortified. Should have make the walls thicker, don't know if two feet of concrete is enough to keep them out.

Iamon lyme: They use this method in many abortions and Obama approves it. He doesn't want kids shot (unless they are black and from Chicago) but is ok with babies in the womb having their arms and legs sucked off (especially if they are black and from Chicago).

(V): It seems to me that a well built car vrs a well built car colliding at 60 mph would be much safer than a light weight car vrs a light weight car at the same speed. I'd put my money on surviving in the heavier car and the two lightweight autos all would likely be killed. Just a guess. I'll have to google it. Or bing it.

(V): Sucked?? hahaha That cracks me up. I was using my ipad and it auto corrected my spelling. I never noticed it. I'll have to try to write suicide again tonight on the ipad and see how that happened.

Iamon lyme: Do you mean seppuku? If so... yes.

It was a honour thing combined with a second swordsman taking the head off.

Less worse than the old practice of hung drawn and quartered that was practised throughout Europe. Or some of the other ... ... tmi for this board. ;P

(V): You've never heard of death by suction? It's a barbaric practice that had been abandoned (or so I thought) centuries ago... it's a horrible way to go.

Some people confuse it with sakicide, which isn't so bad if you like that sort of thing. Not me. I'm a procrastinator. I'm not planning on leaving until after the boat has sailed.

Artful Dodger: HGV's by law now in the UK/Europe, have to have bars fitted so cars cannot in an accident go under resulting in the car being crushed.

Artful Dodger: Considering the many ways of ending ones life... (sucked) ?? .. Guns are irrelevant. It would be considered impolite by Japanese (from what I hear) to be messy.

(V): hmmmm. Good point.

(V): true it's easier with a gun. But Japan has higher sucked rate without guns so guns aren't the problem.

Artful Dodger: No... F1 cars are light by nature, yet far safer than a normal car. The killer is the SUV style cars. So much extra weight that they are harder to control and if involved in an accident more likely to kill more of those outside the SUV that are involved. Especially as a heavy vehicle is not so easy to control in accidents.

The people in the SUV type vehicle may have a ton of steel to protect them... That's nice for them but not for the other people involved.

Artful Dodger: Guns just make it easier. Point... pull trigger.... bang.

Not like having to do it with your bare hands or a bat.

Bwild: Yes there is. But even working it out as per 1000 population it is high.

Bwild: Exactly. The politicians love to jump on tragedies and use them for political gain. Kids die every day in Chicago but they've already got the black vote so who cares? Notice how some of the worst cities for crime are run by Democrats? See Detroit and Chicago-

Iamon lyme: So the end of winter and an early spring is determined by some cowardly little rodent who cries at the sight of his own shadow? I say we cook the little bugger and make some burgers!

Artful Dodger: I'm guessing more people are killed by cars than guns.
a 70+ y/o man was beat to death here recently by a 33 y/o man. we going to outlaw fists too? its stupid. of course anyone with common sense knows its people who kill people in acts of violence.
mark it up to Dr.Spock. let kids do whatever...dont bust their ass when their out of line. then when they grow up to think they can do whatever..they go to prison...or worse..flip out..get a gun..and take their frustrations out on innocent people.

Artful Dodger: It's some kind of hog... a ground hog or hedge hog... or road hog? (Harley Davidson?)

It was overcast Saturday where I live, so that's supposed to mean the little guy couldn't be scared by his own shadow. If he gets scared and dives back into his home then it means six more weeks of winter. I don't understand the science behind this, but that doesn't matter... I don't understand how a few parts per million extra carbon dioxide molecules can severley impact the planet either, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

I feel better now:

Seriously though:

Today Obama was in Minnesota claiming that if we can save "only one child" it will be worth the effort (to pass more gun restrictions).

Seriously, this guy is a full on liar. He doesn't gives a rat's rump about saving any "child."

He favors partial birth abortion. That's where you take a needle, poke a hole in the back of the skull of a "child" (nearly born child and fully viable) and then insert a tube, suck out the kid's brains.

And he opposes the "Born Alive" legislation (that's where if an abortion fails and the child lives, the child can be left to die (and they are left to die) on the table or in some back room). Obama opposed any efforts to secure the now outside the womb and fully born human baby.

Obama favors car manufactures making lighter cars (to save on fuel). BUT we all know that lighter cars contribute to more traffic deaths (and child deaths).

So much for that two faced lying sack of donkey poo giving a rip about saving "even one child." He couldn't care less if a child dies. It's all political BS from him and his kind. Scum bag.

Universal Eyes: We have all kinds of laws here depending on the State and local ordinances. But in some States open carry rules the day. I don't carry a gun but I am armed (I have two of them at the moment AND they are deadly).

I also have three clubs

Iamon lyme: The police response time in some parts around here is over 15 minutes. That's why most of my rural friends are packing. Locked and loaded. (fully loaded and their guns are full of bullets too!)

;)

Iamon lyme: Well according to the gopher or muskrat or what ever that creature that sees its shadow is called, we're due for some local global warming very soon. And frankly, I can't wait. But I'll have to wait. So I guess I can wait. So why did I say I can't? I don't know. I need a shrink I think!

History of firearm laws in Canada

Controls on civilian use of firearms date from the early days of Confederation, when justices of the peace could impose penalties for carrying a handgun without reasonable cause.[7] Criminal Code of Canada amendments between the 1890s and the 1970s introduced a series of minor controls on firearms. In the late 1970s, controls of intermediate strength were introduced. In the mid 1990s, significant increases in controls occurred. A 1996 study showed that Canada was in the mid-range of firearm ownership when compared with eight other western nations. Nearly 22% of Canadian households had at least one firearm, including 2.3% of households possessing a handgun.[8] As of September 2010, the Canadian Firearms Program recorded a total of 1,831,327 valid firearm licences, which is roughly 5.4% of the Canadian population. The four most licensed provinces are Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and British Columbia.[9] In 2005 almost 3% of households in Canada possessed handguns, compared to 18% of U.S. households that possessed handguns.[10] In 2005 almost 16% of households in Canada possessed firearms of some kind.[10]

The following is a summary of the history of gun control laws in Canada:[11][12]

The federal Parliament instituted a system of gun control in the North-West Territories in 1885 to hinder the Red River Rebellion for Metis rights. Permission in writing from the territorial government was needed to possess any firearm (other than a smooth-bore shotgun), and also ammunition. Possession of a firearm or ammunition without the necessary permit was an offence, and could lead to the forfeiture of the firearm and ammunition.[13] These gun control provisions applied to all of what is now Alberta, Saskatchewan, parts of Manitoba, the current Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Nunavut.
The Criminal Code of Canada enacted in 1892, required individuals to have a permit to carry a pistol unless the owner had cause to fear assault or injury. Not until 1935 was it considered an offence to sell a pistol to anyone under 16. Vendors who sold handguns had to keep records, including purchaser's name, the date of sale and a description of the gun.
In the 1920s, permits became necessary for all firearms newly acquired by foreigners.
Legislation in 1934 required the registration of handguns with records identifying the owner, the owner's address and the firearm. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) or by other police forces designated by provincial attorneys general.
In 1947, the offence of “constructive murder” was added to the Criminal Code for offences resulting in death, when the offender carried a firearm. This offence was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of Canada in a 1987 case called R. v. Vaillancourt.
Automatic weapons were added to the category of firearms that had to be registered in 1951. The registry system was centralized under the Commissioner of the RCMP.
In 1969, Bill C-150 created categories of “non-restricted,” “restricted” and “prohibited” firearms. Police were also given preventive powers of search and seizure by judicial warrant if they had grounds to believe that firearms that belonged to an individual endangered the safety of society.
In 1977, Bill C-51 required firearms acquisition certificates (FACs) to purchase any firearm, and introduced controls on the selling of ammunition. Applicants were required to pass a basic criminal record check before receiving the FAC.
In 1991, Bill C-17 tightened up restrictions and established controls on numerous firearms with military background. Legislation also made changes to the FAC system. FAC applicants were now required to pass a firearms safety course, and a thorough background check, and wait a minimum of 28 days after applying for an FAC before being issued.

Finally, in addition to the above changes, laws were put into place that restricted ownership of high-capacity magazines: limiting handguns to ten rounds, and most semi-automatic centre-fire rifles to five rounds. Legislation was upheld by the Supreme Court in Reference re Firearms Act (2000). The FAC system was replaced with possession-only licences (POLs) and possession and acquisition licences (PALs). Referring to Bill C-68, John Dixon, a former advisor to Deputy Minister of Justice John C. Tait, stated that the Firearms Act was part of a policy exercise by the Liberal Party of Canada so as to appear to be "tougher" on guns than Prime Minister Kim Campbell, and thus defeat her in the 1993 election.[14]

In 2001, the registration portion of Bill C-68 was implemented. The government asks for all firearms, including long-guns (rifles and shotguns), to be registered.
In 2003, the registration of long-guns becomes mandatory. Failure to register a firearm now results in criminal charges.
As of 2006, while legislation is still in place, the government is no longer asking long gun owners for a registration fee and an amnesty (now extended until May 16, 2011) temporarily protects licensed owners of non-restricted firearms (or those whose licences have expired since January 1, 2004) from prosecution for the possession of unregistered long guns.[15]
In November 2009, Bill C-391 passed second reading in the House of Commons by a vote of 164 to 137. If passed through the entire parliamentary process by the House and Senate, the bill would have abolished the requirement to register non-restricted long guns. While the proposed legislation was a private member's bill, it had the support of the Conservative government. The bill was referred to the House of Commons Committee on Public Safety for further action. However, after several months of hearings, the Opposition majority on the committee recommended that no further action be taken to advance the bill. In September 2010 Bill C-391 failed to pass a third reading.
On October 25, 2011, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews introduced a bill to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act, to abolish the long-gun registry and destroy all records.
On February 15, 2012, Bill C-19 passed third reading in the House of Commons; the motion to abolish the long-gun registry passed 159 to 130 and Bill C-19 became law.

Bwild: "theres a substanstial population difference."

LOL... sometimes it's like shooting fish in a barrel

(V): "You do want your police and feds armed don't you? Able to defend themselves while protecting your shores, towns and cities from crime!!"

Well of course, and the response times are impressive. When seconds count, the police can be there in minutes.