The Col: Anyone can vote in those polls. They are basically meaningless. That was an online poll.

Here's a poll that has Mitt winning: http://www.therightscoop.com/poll-who-won-the-3rd-and-final-presidential-debate-tonight-between-mitt-romney-and-president-obama/

Bwild:You're right: Obummer lied and then lied some more. He has no shame.

The Col: Dick Morris, a superb political strategist, gives the win to Romney. Romney was very effective in the debate despite being sick. Obama had several very bad moments. BTW, we still use bayonets. Duh.

(V): Fetal pain is not bs. Doesn't matter in the larger picture because it's morally wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without just cause.

Bwild: Obama looked to me more like an angry sullen student looking at his teacher, but not really listening to him. Every once in a while it seemed like he actually heard what Romney was saying. I could see both of their faces on split screen. When Obama talked his face cycled through the same expressions, angry then concerned then thoughtful then angry etc etc... but sometimes he looked lost, like he forgot where his own narrative was heading.

On split screen, Romney was always looking at Obama like he knew who he was listening to. But when Romney talked it seemed like Obama was trying to drill a hole in Romney with his patented jedi death stare. Romney must have had his shields up though, because Obama's death stare didn't faze him.

The Col: I didn't say "during the three" debates. I was talking about last night's debate. If you were "paying attention" you would have noticed that.

Mitt came prepared for a real debate, and it was obvious Obama thought he would have the same advantage going in that he enjoyed in the first two debates. I understand that you saw something else, I get that. But I don't need you to tell me what I saw or heard because I'm able to do that for myself. So thanks for trying, but no thanks. Me big boy, me can think for myself now. LoL

Iamon lyme: quick study... the look on Obama's face the last half of the debate was that of a student listening to his teacher.
When Mitt said what he would do in the middle east really had Obamas attention. Obama knew he was out-classed.

The Col: regardless of the polls...I felt Mitt carried himself more as a President should.
yomama was always the wrong man for the job. just my opinion.

Iamon lyme: "interrupting" ? I don't care which candidate you support, if you think Obama is the one most guilty of interrupting during the 3 debates you're either not paying attention or so much in the bag you have lost all objectivity

for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXsAdBEsZw8

Bwild: Mitt impressed me right from the start of the debate. He was the first to talk, and Obama wasted no time interrupting him and cutting into Mitts two minute time limit. Mitt wasn't a bit fazed by this, almost as though he was expecting it. He let it go on for a few seconds before "interrupting" the interruption and continued to talk as though nothing had happened. Losing a few seconds of his two minute time limit didn't hurt him, because it served to showed Obama's utter lack of respect and a penchant for breaking the rules. Obama is a quick study, but I think he realised too late that this last debate would be by the book.

Bwild: Don't take my word for it, all the polls say he won fairly big.I find it interesting that both Democrats and Republicans agreed Romney won the 1st debate, but for some reason Republicans can not stomach the admission Romney might lose a debate, regardless of the polls overwhelming results pointing that way.

Fox News poll on who won last nights debate

Obama 53.19%


Mitt Romney 46.81%

The Col: I didnt see it that way. seemed to me mitt walked thru yomommas bs about the "lies" and has a great outlook on middle east strategy..
just getting rid of yommama care will be a big feather in OUR countries cap.
not to mention small business reforms that will be a economic boost to OUR country.

Big debate win for Obama, better to finish the debate schedule on a high note.

Artful Dodger: Is the BS about pain ended?

(V): killing the unborn has nothing to do with real life?

Artful Dodger: Really... if you want to think that, go ahead. It makes your case easier for you to 'be the moral one' .... ... that it has nothing to do with real life is irrelevant to you.

"And the baby feels tremendous pain in an abortion."

At what age of development? Please get your basic facts right, it stops all this BS.

(V): feels nothing about killing their child?

And the baby feels tremendous pain in an abortion.

Iamon lyme: They definitely want to suppress the truth about the ONE. Even the ONE wants to do that. Hence all the stonewalling etc.

Iamon lyme: And we shall call you Bruno... "know what I mean Harry"

Artful Dodger: The mother to be feels nothing, the father to be (if it's a normal relationship) feels nothing... so you are saying

"Do you mean in the unborn child? Explain"

Basic biology.. look it up yourself.

Iamon lyme: Correction, I meant to say:

"...is far enough behind him for it to NOT be too great of an embarrassment..."

Artful Dodger: I wonder the same thing. I think he does believe that no one really builds up his own business, because he personally has been propped up and helped along the way. His choice of ideology, party affiliation, church, the city he chose to live in and what state he represented, what he wanted people to think of him when writing his books, etc etc ... even going back to when he first got a social securty card so he could apply for his first job... it shows a clear pattern of how he was able to get things done for himself.

Anyway, the whole truth will eventually come out, but not before his presidency is far enough behind him for it to be too great of an embarassment for the Democratic party. Like say, oh, maybe a hundred years from now?

Iamon lyme: Obama is such a liar. I wonder if he believes his own nonsense.

Artful Dodger: I managed to see most of the debate this time. Romney did better, Obama about the same as last time. I appreciated the fact that in this debate it didn't look as much like a free for all, with the moderator and Obama on one side and Romney on the other. The first two debates were a joke, but tonight's debate looked more like a real debate.

I've become so used to hearing the president lie that it doesn't bother me anymore... I was more interested in hearing what Romney had to say, and watching the expression on Obama's face as Romney was talking.

Iamon lyme: Obama was a jerk at the debates tonight. What a lying scum bag of a prez.

(V): [ Not around... through. Some of it relates to your certificate. Don't worry, everyone in the civilised world has one. It doesn't make you special!! ]

say what?

[ The Banks.. I can agree with that. ]

Me wasn't talking about "The Banks". You no know what me say?

[ Satan.... You mean our animal nature, or some strange man made construct...]

No, me no mean what you say me say, me mean say what me say me say. You no know what me say by the way? What you know me not say and what you say me say is no same as me say what me say. No, me not buy that... me say you know me not say same as you say me say... so there.

(V):" so everyone concerned feels nothing.."
*Um, what do you mean by this?

" especially considering the development of the nervous system,"
*Do you mean in the unborn child? Explain

" all the indications are that those that who are actually living as independent beings will feel more."
*explain

Iamon lyme: Not around... through. Some of it relates to your certificate.

Don't worry, everyone in the civilised world has one. It doesn't make you special!!

(V): Still trying to run end plays around what I say. Mindset and methodology... most revealing.

Iamon lyme: But you want control of the Children.

"And in spite of your clever *cough* attempt to make what I say appear to mean something else, the same group of people who attempt to gain access to other people's money are the ones most actively involved in disrupting other people homes and families."

The Banks.. I can agree with that. Nice to know you've seen the light somewhat

Iamon lyme: Satan.... You mean our animal nature, or some strange man made construct adopted from various inputs... ya know, Greek/Roman/Zoroastrian/etc?

"Do you need for me to show you where in the Bible it says that?"

Do I need to show you what I mean?

(V): [ Yes, they'd be comparing him to Mr Charlie Chaplin ]

Maybe, but I have no doubt that Social Service agencies would investigate to determine whether or not the children should become wards of the state or given to a younger couple.

In India they are being honored. But if they lived in the US, they would undoubtedly be criticised by the same people who try running end plays around parents to gain control of their children. How do I know this? Because I've seen it happen to real people, in real time, and not on some internet page. And in spite of your clever *cough* attempt to make what I say appear to mean something else, the same group of people who attempt to gain access to other people's money are the ones most actively involved in disrupting other people homes and families.

(V): [ Noooooo the oldest dad is non flesh!! ]

I was talking about the world's oldest (currently known) human dad. God can only be our father if we so choose. Jesus made that clear when he told some religious leaders that Satan was their father. Do you need for me to show you where in the Bible it says that?

Iamon lyme: Noooooo the oldest dad is non flesh!!

"Can you imagine what might happen if this family lived in the US (or in the UK) and the media got wind of this story?"

Yes, they'd be comparing him to Mr Charlie Chaplin. ... I think his last one was in his 90's .. or late 80's

(V): The worlds oldest dad is not made of wicker. He is a flesh and blood human being, and his wife and two sons are real people too. Can you imagine what might happen if this family lived in the US (or in the UK) and the media got wind of this story?

Artful Dodger: Really... so everyone concerned feels nothing.. especially considering the development of the nervous system, all the indications are that those that who are actually living as independent beings will feel more.

ie you are not making any sense.

(V): there are sad stories in every aspect of life. But the vast majority of abortion are only horror stories to the unborn.

Iamon lyme:That's Wicker man... get it right!!

Have you seen either of the two films?

Artful Dodger: You really think I'm gonna post real horror stories on this board? Of memory scars, things that'll make you wish you could take a 'pill' to wipe the last hour of what you've heard/read.

.... besides.. It'll just get deleted.

Artful Dodger: I've suddenly lost my appetite for pumpkin pie.

Iamon lyme: Obama supports letting babies who survive an abortion - die without any attempt at medical care.

Iamon lyme: I've seen that one before. It so cracks me up (no pun intended)

Artful Dodger: "And what if the scans showed a perfectly healthy baby girl?"

I've been discovered as being liberal, so there's really no point in pretending anymore. And so the answer to your point is a girl is not a woman. Doesn't matter whether she is a baby or a 12 year old girl, a girl is simply a girl... period. Girls are females, they are not women. We respect women, but this does not necessarily mean we respect females.

Only we liberals are able to understand this.

(V): Well played! My straw men salute your straw men.

(V): You'd have to explain to me how a woman's life could be ruined by giving birth. And then you'd have to clarify how that "ruined" life (of the mother). How does killing the unborn child do any "good" to the situation.

And what if the scans showed a perfectly healthy baby girl?

(V): [ At the moment you and Art are saying you want access to their children, under a law you want. Are you a liberal? ]

Okay (V), ya got me... I am really a liberal posing as a conservative and saying what I think a conservative would say. I managed to fool everyone else, but not you. What tipped you off?

Artful Dodger: If the life of the female carrying the baby is ruined through your law...

I don't see you or lemon really answering that. The baby seems to have more rights than the mother to be in your scenario.

If it was a incest rape, the baby was (via scans) shown to be massively deformed... you'd still insist she carries it to term?

This is real life.. not some fairy tale, where everyone lives happily ever after.

" There are thousands of loving homes waiting for a child should the woman not want to raise the child herself."

Guaranteed? No prospects of divorce?? ... some Hollywood star gonna decide they'll adopt yet another baby like AJ likes to do because she can pay off the parents to have what she wants!!

Well the sad alternative is that the unborn baby must die. The seems unjust to me. We have a responsibility to the most vulnerable among us.