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30. November 2017, 09:27:52
Carpe Diem 
Subject: Re: Resigning
Modified by Carpe Diem (30. November 2017, 09:29:35)
Glad I brought this up; some very interesting points.

I've been thinking about this a bit more, and I guess my perspective is shaped by the fact that when I was young, I played and organized a lot of tournament chess, and that's one game that, past the beginner stage, is not often played to the end. If it was, there would be some painful games. In some other games resigning is almost a foreign concept. Take a couple of the most popular games on this site - you're not eliminated until the final move in Ludo, and Dice Poker and Backgammon aren't usually decided with THAT many moves remaining. Battleboats, Logik, and numerous others - basically no resigning. There are lots of other games like that. If one is used to games where resignation isn't standard, perhaps it doesn't occur to one to ever resign.

I had thought of taking away the "glory" of the victory, and that maybe some people don't like that. It's why I often don't bother in games like the different "line" games (Pente, Connect6, Line4, etc) - you usually don't know you've lost until you're a couple of moves away from losing (or you'd do something about it!), so I figure my opponent is more likely to want to go to the end than be done slightly sooner. 

Achievements are definitely something I didn't think of. I'll try to be mindful of possible achievements when considering resigning in the future. 

The kind of games I think could use a little more resignations would be ones like Mancala. It plays quickly enough so it's not a big deal, but there's no game where it's easier to see when you've lost. Thankfully I've never been stuck in a dragged out game of Frog Legs, which is already one of the most painfully long games as-is. :) The one that brought on the mini-rant was a game of Halma where I had moved all my pieces to the opponent's home, and they still had one piece left there and lots to move to my home. I had to move back and forth for several moves while they move their other pieces home, and then they finally moved that last which enabled me to win. Seemed kind of silly.

But really, even though I decided to share my little rant with everyone, it isn't that big of a deal to me. Just something to think about, and some of you gave me more to think about. :)

30. November 2017, 14:16:19
Aganju 
Subject: Re: Resigning
Carpe Diem: well said.

Btw, Halma has a rule that you _must_ remove all your pieces from your own home after N moves, or you automatically lose. Although N is I think 30 or 50 depending on board size, and that is quite high. It is a bit like the 50-move rule in chess - only that one turned out to be too short after all, as now there are endgames known that force mate in more than 50 moves.

3. December 2017, 10:49:19
Carpe Diem 
Subject: Re: Resigning
Aganju: Yes, my opponent was going to be up against that limit a few moves later, and I was aware of it. I don't believe there was any malicious intent here; just a matter of them wanting to get as many pieces home as they could, I suppose.

9. December 2017, 01:07:15
playBunny 
Subject: Re: Resigning
Hrqls: against most opponents it's usually point 3 or 5 ... but against you, from now on, it will be point 4 :-)

Lol. Then I shall make a point of seeking calmness and tranquillity of mind.

9. December 2017, 16:20:35
Hrqls 
Subject: Re: Resigning
playBunny: lol ... or visit me on jijbent.nl ;-)

15. December 2017, 19:15:30
ketchuplover 
Subject: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
Me thinks it's time for a brainking.com membership fire sale. 75% off all paid membership through the end of 2017. Prices so hot they're on fire! Void where prohibited. Non-Sectarian. Not for profit.

15. December 2017, 20:00:02
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Re: Dear Fencer and or his loyal subjects...
ketchuplover: In your dreams.

25. December 2017, 22:45:55
MrDelete 
Merry Christmas

26. December 2017, 01:13:19
ChEmIsT 
Subject: Re:
MrDelete: thank you! Same to you 

26. December 2017, 08:18:47
Carpe Diem 
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

26. December 2017, 14:05:29
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Re:
Carpe Diem: Thank you. I hope you had a Happy Christmas.

1. January 2018, 00:05:31
Fencer 
Subject: 2018
Yes, we are still here.

1. January 2018, 00:38:28
Walter Montego 
Subject: Re: 2018
Fencer: It is still 2017 here in Colorado.
Happy New Year!

1. January 2018, 00:49:01
rod03801 
Subject: Re: 2018
Fencer:

1. January 2018, 06:30:31
Clandestine 1 
Happy New Year everyone. Hopefully I can say this again next year to you all!

1. January 2018, 12:34:17
alexlee 
Subject: Re: 2018
Fencer:
Happy New Year Fencer

1. January 2018, 12:37:11
Mélusine 
Happy new year to everyone.

1. January 2018, 13:25:00
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Re:
Clandestine 1: Thank you and Happy New Year to you and yes I do hope we will be here this time next year.

1. January 2018, 14:46:34
ann67 
Happy New Year!

2. January 2018, 00:37:12
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Glitches
Modified by crosseyed_uk (2. January 2018, 18:07:51)

Any one else been experiencing any glitches in this site?

There is something wrong with these games:

Game ID: 7854120, Match ID: 929748
Game ID: 7825998, Match ID: 927146
Game ID: 7852281, Match ID: 928290
Game ID: 7846925, Match ID: 900515

2. January 2018, 00:51:37
Mélusine 
Subject: Re:
heavenrose: Thank you.

2. January 2018, 14:54:25
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Re: Glitches
crosseyed: Still there today.

2. January 2018, 18:40:21
ketchuplover 
Subject: look up in the sky...
it's a bird...it's a plane...it's a BK system upgrade!

3. January 2018, 12:34:36
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Re: Glitches
crosseyed: Gone now the scheduled downtime must have sorted the glitches.

3. January 2018, 13:36:24
Aganju 
Subject: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Did anyone recently extend his membership? Mine will run out in a week, and I am in an ugly sitation in that I technically cannot pay - my problem is not that I don’t want to risk an annual Rook amount or don’t have the money, the problem is that I cannot get it to Fencer.

If you care to know why, read on below. If you are willing to help me and live in Germany, let me know (I don’t expect you to pay for me, just execute the transaction for me)

First, I cannot use Paypal, as Paypal has blocked me for life (for the incredible vile crime of having transactions in two different countries). In the past, after discussing with Fencer about it, I simply used a bank-to-bank transfer to his account; as I have an account in Germany, that was easy and fee-free. However, my bank has now started to disallow international transfers without two-factor authentication (in the name of security), but they only offer mobile TAN to german mobile phones (I don’t live in Germany, so I don’t have a german mobile phone), and they cannot handle international SMS. As a result, I can no longer send money to Fencer.
What I am looking for is a volunteer X in Germany, so I can transfer (Überweisung) the required amount to X (national transfers still work with paper TANs, which I have), and then X pays to Fencer in my name. Anyone? If so, send me a personal message with your name and IBAN, and I’ll order a membership, and transfer the respective amount to you.
Thanks!

3. January 2018, 23:34:38
crosseyed_uk 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Aganju: I hope you get this problem sorted soon. If not post again and I will see what I could do to help you out.

4. January 2018, 03:53:55
Walter Montego 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Aganju: Why don't you mail him the money? That's what I used to do until I bought the life membership. A money order works well. I'm sure they have those in Euros, though I have only used the U.S. dollar.

Though he didn't ask for extra money, I'd also throw in a fiver so he could get himself a beer for his trouble.

5. January 2018, 15:51:50
Mélusine 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Aganju: Is it possible for you to transfer money on the Paypal account of someone else ? Then, this person could pay for you. I can do this if you need, and if you trust me.

6. January 2018, 20:38:50
DeaD man WalkiN 
Subject: guess I just found out
in battleboat plus U have to use all your shots or you can't move...

6. January 2018, 22:14:15
Aganju 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Mélusine: I don't know - would that work from a credit card? So I pay with a credit card, and Paypal (takes a fee and) puts the money into your Paypal account? That could work.
Thanks for your offer, I might get back to you - next year. I am in the lucky situation to have postponed my issue for a year - I now got my one-year rook till Jan 2019.

7. January 2018, 01:06:10
Mélusine 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Aganju: It’s not possible with a credit card. I’ve already tried. You can use a credit card only for your own account.

7. January 2018, 01:49:05
Mélusine 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Aganju: May I ask you how you succeeded in using Paypal ?
It could be useful to know it, in case we would have the same problem.

7. January 2018, 03:16:01
Aganju 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Mélusine: I didn’t - someone was nice and sponsored me.

7. January 2018, 12:20:00
DeaD man WalkiN 
Subject: guess I just found out in battleboat plus U have to use all your shots or you can't move...
So, do I have to forfeit the game or should the person I'm play do it...

7. January 2018, 13:15:31
Mélusine 
Subject: Re: Membership Payments - anyone in DE to help me?
Aganju: Oh, it’s very nice. Thank you for your answer.

7. January 2018, 15:56:58
furbster 
Subject: Re: guess I just found out in battleboat plus U have to use all your shots or you can't move...
DeaD man WalkiN: it's clear that you have won the game, so either ask them to resign or get Fencer to end the game for you.

17. January 2018, 15:16:59
Oriole 
Subject: thanks to fencer
tvm, for all the hard work you putinto this site............

17. January 2018, 18:39:20
Doris 
Subject: Re: thanks to fencer
Oriole: I agree....thank you Fencer

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