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22. January 2014, 23:05:36
Brf 
Subject: Brf's 8th Annual St. Pat's Pente Tourney
Brf's 8th Annual St. Pat's Pente Tourney

for those interested I just posted the tournament, it's set to start March 17, 2014. Please consider signing up, I look forward to playing you across the grid.

18. December 2013, 18:52:50
Brf 
Subject: Jan 1 2014 Pente Tourney for 6month Rook!
Jan 1 2014 Pente Tourney for 6month Rook!

I normally do these things just for the folks in the SPP fellowship but this time I've opened this up BK wide!

this Tourney does have a fischers clock since I want it to be over before The 8th Annual St Pats Tourney which will start in March but the time limits should be pretty doable.

5 day start time with 8 hour bonuses for each move with a max time accumulated of 10days. 5 player sections also btw!

I know someone wants this 6 month Rook prize so Good luck to everyone that signs up, and may the pente gods be on your side!

22. July 2013, 10:16:36
Thad 
Subject: Re:
s3v3n: Great! I hope we get an update about what happened soon.

20. July 2013, 08:27:16
s3v3n 
DSG is up and running again..

17. July 2013, 22:34:17
Brf 
Subject: Re: Pente.org
Thad: well with the java exploits and staying up on that, coupled with getting the forums hacked. as well as day to day server crashes, database corruption, making\restoring backups. continual coding requirements to add features such as you suggested "more games" I know he didn't have time for it.

I think he's more focused on that BabyESP app he developed and unlike the pente site it actually generates revenue. It is a sad day that there is no more DSG though, I wish someone would've taken it over just to keep the forums, dbase, and the live play aspect still alive.

17. July 2013, 04:55:20
Thad 
Subject: Re: Pente.org
Brf: Seems to me that a site like that should run itself without much day-to-day maintenance once everything is set up. I realize that it might not work out that way, though. I wonder what was involved in keeping it going.

I would think about buying it if I could get all the code and everything if I thought I could make a little $$$ from the effort, but I would rather invest in a site that includes more games than just Pente.

15. July 2013, 17:45:58
Brf 
Subject: Re: Pente.org
Thad: Not surprised really with the way things were going on the day to day running of the site. It's too bad Peter had to shut it down but I understand not having the time he once had to manage it all. DSG will be missed!

10. July 2013, 23:55:39
Thad 
Subject: Pente.org
Pente.org is shut down!!!

11. June 2013, 17:22:47
furbster 
Subject: Re:
s3v3n: this too is what i meant, of course it's possible to draw if you're trying

6. June 2013, 13:40:12
s3v3n 
"some players", obviously means me. i wrote that draw isnt possible in "regular game", not pente game at all. by regular game i thought about a situation where at least one player is trying to win, not both of them playing to make a board full. at least brf got that correctly..

5. June 2013, 22:32:53
Brf 
Subject: Re: Draw is possible in regular pente games
Modified by Brf (5. June 2013, 22:33:17)
okjb: you should've been a participant in that tournament, I know I sent you a message about it but you might not have seen it in time. Shoot for it next year

yeah I've done the fill board before with snut and dmitriking trying to draw and it does work when all the spaces are filled up in the correct sequence. realistically though you have to design it like you said since more than likely you'll never fill the board without captures occurring especially towards the end.

In regular pente it's rare to see a board with 30 moves still being played though. most games are decided in under 20 :)

cool board aaru :)

5. June 2013, 19:04:38
aaru 
Subject: Re: Draw is possible in regular pente games

5. June 2013, 13:03:23
okjb 
Subject: Draw is possible in regular pente games
On the discussion board of *144*Brf's 7th Annual St. Pat's Pente Tourney*144* tournament some players wrote that draw is not possible in regular pente games. They are wrong, draw is possible. Since I'm not a participant of this tournament, I'm writing here.

Here you can see the local fragment, the rest of the board is filled systematically.

OXXXXOOOOX
XOOOOXXXXO
OXXXXOOOOX
XOOOOXXXXO

ABCDEFGHIJ

At first, players fill columns C,D,G,H etc. After that they fill remained columns. It is easy to see that any piece will not be captured.

1. June 2013, 21:36:12
Brian1971 
Attn paying members who play Pente and its variants. Please join my fellowship Brian's 1971 pub to join our Pente tournaments starting June 15. We have a tournament for all 6 Pente games at Brainking. Hope to see you there.

Brian1971
Big Boss of Brian's 1971 pub.

20. February 2013, 06:52:07
Thad 
Subject: big match
Wow. I just finished a 255 game match! Well, sort of. It looks like you can't play a match that's longer than 255 games. Our match just disappeared from the main page without any warning or message or anything after game #255. Open Pente (Thad vs. JackS)

23. January 2013, 19:29:42
Brf 
Subject: Re: Super Pente 2013
Thad: no worries, I had to select some cutoff since nosovs had set it up as kind of a "best of" tourney. Haven't seen a whole lot of activity on the pente front lately anyway. seems like alot of the best players have stepped back and are in retirement or are otherwise too busy to consider it.


I was hoping opening it up to the masses would generate a couple of more signups above the 2150bkr but if that doesn't happen we'll just let the tournament expire. Even 6 players seems a bit light....everyone in the tournament would've preferred 10 players.

I may retry the Super Pente Tourney in 2014 with signups starting in November to and open to 2100 or above....we'll see if there's enough interest to warrant it when we get there.

On another note the st pats tournament signups will be starting on February 1, 2013, Hopefully that will see a better turnout there. Stay Tuned to this highly active message board!

22. January 2013, 12:40:36
Thad 
Subject: Re: Super Pente 2013
Brf: Sorry, my Pente rating is 'only' 2104! ;-)

21. January 2013, 18:34:25
Brf 
Subject: Super Pente 2013
OK, since Nosovs went into retirement I have been taking on his Super Pente Tournament. This tournament has always been invite only and aimed towards the higher Ranked BKR players of the game. I have sent out many invites and only 4 players have accepted thus far. That being the case I decided to open up the tournament to ANY Brainking player that has a rating of 2150 or higher.

We only need 2 more players and the tournament will start! If you meet the BKR criteria please consider signing up for the tournament, we'd love to have you on board and get it going ASAP. thanks! -Brf


Super Pente 2013

14. February 2012, 23:26:38
Brf 
Subject: Re: crickets chirping :D
Modified by Brf (14. February 2012, 23:28:18)
Thad: I am one of the few that disagree with this perceived P1 advantage. I lose as P1 often enough to know that if someone REALLY wants to put in the time there is usually a way to take the game away from your P1 opponent. I also tend to win a lot of games where I'm P2 also, so implying that P1 has such a sizable advantage that a players best course of action is to quit playing pente & switch to connect6 doesn't seem quite sound to me.

to each their own I suppose. Personally I've played 'te for far too long and appreciate all the subtle nuances each years worth of playing against the best players brings to the games overall evolution....it's far from played out.

pente never gets dull to me....any game without captures is another variant of go-moku to me and that kind of strategizing where stones don't ever come off the board (allowing for unplanned significant change to the playing field) does seem dull . That's just my opinion. I'm sure connect6 can be fun, but for me....captures are a must for laying another dimension of play possiblity onto the game.

14. February 2012, 20:45:09
Thad 
Subject: Re: crickets chirping :D
Brf: Have you ever tried Connect6? It doesn't suffer from the Player 1 advantage that Pente does. But some Pente fans won't like it because there's no capturing. I like it better than Pente.

14. February 2012, 18:18:59
Brf 
Subject: crickets chirping :D
wow seriously...the last message posted in this board was a year ago to the day by me?? and I am posting the same message for this year

oh well, for the few hardcore pente players that actually read this here's the latest!
----------------------------------------------------------
Brf's 6th Annual St. Pat's Pente Tourney

Here we are again with another yearly installment of the much anticipated "St Patricks Day Pente Tournament"

After constantly adjusting and tweaking the Tourney Settings every year to try and improve the flow and speed, last years parameter change of "10 wins match" should not have been selected. The 2011 tourney is still ongoing due to this

improper setting for a "final match with two players."

With that key learning identified, I believe we'll use the same settings as last years format but lower the 10 wins match to something more reasonable '5' seems like a decent baseline since 3 is a bit light. With this minor change,

this years St Pat's Tourney should have the best settings yet for speed while maintaining a solid challenge to all players.

This is a prize tournament with 1 year Brain Rook awarded to the winner. The section size has been set at 7 people per section with time limits set at 2 days per move with vacation allowed.....anything more and the tourney

won't finish before the 2012 St Patty's tourney.

Do you feel you have the Pente luck of the Irish? well sign up and see how far you can make it through the Rounds! On St.Patricks Day (March 17, 2012) the tourney begins!

My thanks to all of you who continue to sign up for this tournament every year! Good luck to all of you, I look forward to playing you across the board!


PAST TOURNAMENT RESULTS!
St Patty's 2011 WINNERS: Aleph?, Brf? (In Progress!)
St Patty's 2010 WINNERS: Karlw, Novatis
St Patty's 2009 WINNER: Nosovs
St Patty's 2008 WINNERS: Richard III, Nosovs
St Patty's 2007 WINNER: Brf!

14. February 2011, 19:00:21
Brf 
Subject: Brf's St. Pats Day Pente Tourney 2011
Modified by Brf (9. March 2011, 16:37:50)
Brf's St Pat's Pente Tourney 2011! Sign Up by March 17th 2011

The tradition here at Brainking goes into it's fifth consecutive year with yet another St Patricks Day Pente Tournament.

Last years format really honed in the settings that work best for this type of high level Pente tournament...and it was over in a record 6 months! So, with just a few slight mods to the tourney parameters...I believe this years tourney is really getting dialed in and has the best settings we've ever tried.

This is a prize tournament with 1 year Brain Rook awarded to the winner. The section size has been set at 7 people per section with time limits set at 2 days per move with vacation allowed.....anything more and the tourney won't finish before the 2012 St Patty's tourney.

So you have to ask yourself, do you feel you have the Pente luck of the Irish? well sign up and see how far you can make it through the Rounds! On St.Patricks Day (March 17, 2011) the tourney begins!

My thanks to all of you who continue to sign up for this tournament every year! Good luck to all of you, I look forward to playing you across the board!

UPDATE: it's 3-9-11 we're getting a great turnout with 68 people signed up already! so quit procrastinating and click on the link , you only have 8 days left to join!

PAST TOURNAMENT RESULTS!

St Patty's 2010 WINNERS: Karlw, Novatis
St Patty's 2009 WINNER: Nosovs
St Patty's 2008 WINNERS: Richard III, Nosovs
St Patty's 2007 WINNER: Brf!

24. January 2011, 20:23:16
Walter Montego 
Subject: pedestrian's Keryo Pente tournament
January All Games over 1600

Starts Wednesday
Single game round robin. Maximum 5 per section so the most games you can add is four. 3 day time limit.

21. December 2010, 11:12:10
Karol G. 
New tourney is open for enrollment: Keryo-Pente, winter 2011

game: keryo-pente, 2 games for each 2 players,
time: 3/0.12/5, no days off!
final: 4 games match,
deadline: 9/01/2011
section: up to 6 players.

Cheers!

14. December 2010, 17:26:48
redfrog 
Subject: Pente Games - 1800 Limit

2. October 2010, 08:22:11
Karol G. 
Keryo-Pente, Autumn 2010

Keryo Pente tourney, 3 days per move with a fair final match type for 2 players: 4 games match! Last term to sing up is October 15.

Cheers!

17. July 2010, 02:29:31
Snut 
Subject: Re: Keryo Team Pente Tourney
Brf: cool man. thanks for the info... I guess I never realized that there were different teams for different variants..

15. July 2010, 17:03:15
Brf 
Subject: Re: Keryo Team Pente Tourney
Snut: different team snut. you can change teams in the fellowship on the team area and see all 4 of our teams. you as far as I know are only in "Pente" thus you can't play in this Keryo tourney unless you signed up.

this tournament is only for Keryo players actively listed on a Keryo team.

15. July 2010, 07:17:04
Snut 
Subject: Re: Keryo Team Pente Tourney
Brf: Hey Brfles... I know I am on the pente team. If that means that I'll have to play Keryo Pente if you enter the team in this tourney you've mentioned, then I want to say now that I don't want to play in this tournament. I despise Keryo Pente and absolutely DO NOT want to play it.

I'm not sure that the fact that I am on our pente team means I have to play every style of pente that you enter our team to play. I'm not sure how all that works.. I will say that Regular pente and Open Pente are the only games I really want to play (and hell, not even Open Pente that much)... Thanks for understanding Brfles... Let me know what the deal is, bro... Late.

-Snut

14. July 2010, 20:25:39
Brf 
Subject: Keryo Team Pente Tourney
well it's been at least 5 years since the last Keryo tourney, but Tanein has just created a new Keryo Team Tournament. Here's the direct link. 10-09-01 Keryo Pente

SPP will have our team signing up shortly. I'd encourage all other fellowships to start getting their Keryo teams put together by the Sept 1 start date.

good luck to all Players and may the best team win!

16. March 2010, 19:25:34
Brf 
Subject: Re: Brf's St Pat's Pente Tourney 2010!
Fellow Pente Enthusiasts!: Just a Reminder 24 hours left until 4th Annual St Pat's 'Te Tourney for 2010 begins! We currently have 42 players sign up

good luck to all entrants.....I look forward to playing you across the board! -Brf

17. February 2010, 18:59:48
Brf 
Subject: Brf's St Pat's Pente Tourney 2010!
Brf's St Pat's Pente Tourney 2010! Sign Up by March 17th 2010

The tradition here at Brainking continues with another St Patricks Day Pente Tournament. After the fiasco with last years "single elimination" tourney format, I've decided to go back to straight sets in the old section based format.

This is a prize tournament with 1 year Brain Rook awarded to the winner. The section size has been set at 7 people per section with time limits set at 2 days per move with vacation allowed.....anything more and the tourney won't finish before the 2011 St's Patty's tourney.

So you have to ask yourself, do you feel you have the Pente luck of the Irish? well sign up and see how far you can make it through the Rounds! On St.Patricks Day (March 17, 2010) the tourney begins! My thanks to all of you who continue to sign up for this tournament every year!
Good luck to all players, I look forward to playing you across the board!


PAST TOURNAMENT RESULTS!

St Patty's 2009 WINNER: (Known Soon!)
St Patty's 2008 WINNERS: Richard III, Nosovs
St Patty's 2007 WINNER: Brf!

2. November 2009, 23:03:08
Snut 
Subject: Re: looking for players
Lisa A: good point ;-)

2. November 2009, 16:41:23
Brian1971 
Subject: Re: looking for players
Lisa A: You are right Lisa. Just looking for anyone who likes pente to join my fellowship and play in our tournaments.

2. November 2009, 02:37:46
Snut 
Subject: Re: looking for players
Brian1971: I'm curious....If you're a part of our fellowship, why start another pente fellowship and more pente tourneys there? It's cool and all, i'm just wondering.

Or are you offering more than pente games in your FS....cause it's pretty obvious that this fellowship is pente centric. heheh. :-) Anyways, good luck with your FS and all...

And remember, anyone can always ask me or Brf to start any type of tourney that you want for our fellowship. As long as it's some form of pente...

-Snut

2. November 2009, 00:30:15
Brian1971 
Subject: looking for players
I have started up some pente games and tournaments in my fellowship. My fellowship is Brian's 1971 pub. Please join and play in these pente games.

29. August 2009, 12:47:48
Karol G. 
Subject: Pente & Keryo-Pente tournaments!
Pente, Autumn 2009
Keryo-Pente, Autumn 2009

Robin round with two games (switched colors) for each two players, max 6 players in section, 5 days per move. 10/10/2009!

Everyone is welcome!

16. March 2009, 23:22:45
tarcellius 
Subject: Re: Writing a pente AI
chaated: Thank you, chaated. That helped.

I ended up assigning a Go-Moku project, instead, just to make it a little simpler. But I think the kids will have fun. Thad, you can enroll next year. ;)

13. March 2009, 23:50:38
Thad 
Subject: Re: Writing a pente AI
tarcellius: Can I take your class? I'd LOVE to learn that stuff!! ;-)

13. March 2009, 23:28:53
chaated 
Subject: Re: Writing a pente AI
Modified by chaated (13. March 2009, 23:31:00)
tarcellius:
In a general sense, you could try to reference the AI of a chess program. The best, easiest one I've seen is Tom's Simple Chess Program that you can find at this website:
http://www.tckerrigan.com/Chess/TSCP

It follows the general need for board game AI:
1.) find legal moves (harder in pente than chess since more legal moves available for the most part) and potentially prune out terrible ones
2.) find a way to assign a score to a position
Hope that helps!

13. March 2009, 23:11:10
tarcellius 
Subject: Writing a pente AI
Modified by tarcellius (13. March 2009, 23:11:32)
Hi pente players,

I teach a high school programming class part-time, and for an upcoming class project I am considering a pente game. The students already have a GUI framework provided for them that handles images in a grid fairly well (see http://www.horstmann.com/gridworld). In writing their game, I would like to have the students implement a simple AI to play against.

I could brush up on general turn-based strategy algorithms, and then apply them to pente to write the project demo. But frankly, I can only spend so much time on my part-time job, so I don't have the time to try several different approaches before settling on a decent one that isn't too much coding for my students to handle.

So, can anyone point me to any resources for this effort? I'm looking for outlines for existing AI algorithms that are known to work reasonably well without massive coding. Or even the source code to an AI which I can pare down for my students (Like Mark Mammel's AI). Or any other pointers.

Thanks!
tarcellius

10. March 2009, 14:43:16
Chaosu 
I haven't noticed this tournament until now so heres link for others, some great games are played!
Super Pente

9. March 2009, 22:36:47
Brf 
Subject: Brf's 3rd Annual St Patricks Day Pente Tourney 2009!
St Patty's 2009!

ONLY 8 DAYS LEFT TO SIGN UP!

Keeping with tradition I've got another St Patricks Day Tournament out there but I'm changing things up a bit this time.

Only 64 people will be allowed into this years tournament since it's Single Elimination with a '2 wins to advance' match format. The Single Elimination is an experiment to make things more head to head and skill centric, hopefully taking away the random advantage a player can sometimes get over another in a section. (for example: where a player times out in just one game and gives an advantage to one of two other equal players.)

I'm keeping the same time limits as last years (2 days per move with vacation allowed) since that seemed to work rather well. Cash prizes are kind of a pain for Fencer to deal with so I've decided to set the prize as one year Brain Rook (approximately 50$ US value).

So you have to ask yourself, do you feel you have the pente luck of the Irish? well sign up and see how far you can make it through the grid! On St. Patricks Day (March 17, 2009) the tourney begins! Good luck to all players, I look forward to playing you across the board!


PAST TOURNAMENT RESULTS!

St Patty's 2008 WINNERS: Richard III, Nosovs
St Patty's 2007 WINNER: Brf!

31. January 2009, 05:37:45
Brf 
Subject: Re: Anybody post here?
chaated: used to....haven't seen much lately though. this board is kind of buried deep in here.
-Brf

30. January 2009, 20:44:02
chaated 
Subject: Anybody post here?
Ever?

19. November 2008, 19:40:26
Thad 
Subject: Re: it's now a 16 player pente single elim. tourney
Brf: I would if I could! I'm trying to earn a free bishop membership via Fencer's Bux.to scam... I mean offer. We'll see if I get there in time.

19. November 2008, 16:54:22
Brf 
Subject: it's now a 16 player pente single elim. tourney
I had started a 32 person single elimination tourney for open pente, small pente, Pente, and Keryo pente which I opened up to all of BK. The tournament was a two wins match format with a total time of 16 days allowed for the whole game and was supposed to start November 15, 2008! SPP, All Te Games, 16 Day game, Single elimination, Rated

Since none of the tournaments had a signup of 32 players I've asked Fencer to lower the required number of players to 16! The tournament will be deleted in 24 days if 16 players do not sign up. We're really close on the "pente" tourney and about halfway there on the the other variants. Please consider signing up if you haven't done so already. Thanks! -Brf

6. November 2008, 03:51:08
redfrog 
Subject: Re: 32 player pente single elim. tourney, NOV 15!
Brf: right on brf! calling all ex-plente members to join this tourny and its variants! Looks like too much fun to pass on!

27. October 2008, 20:18:37
Brf 
Subject: 32 player pente single elim. tourney, NOV 15!
I have started a 32 person single elimination tourney for open pente, small pente, Pente, and Keryo pente. This is open to the whole world (otherwise I don't think we'd get all 32 folks. it's a two wins match format with a total time of 16 days allowed for the whole game The tourney starts November 15, 2008! here's the link Pente+, 32plr, Single elim, 2 win match,16day game

14. October 2008, 08:08:31
aaru 
Subject: 1500, 10000, 1600
Please sign up -> 1500 ;), 10000 :D, 1600 ;) (single elimination for 8, Fisher's clock 3/0.8/15 with autopass & immediately start)
More informations about Fischer's clock on BrainKing & BrainRook

Small Keryo Pente - I need 2 players more
Open Keryo Pente - 1
&
Small Keryo Pente - 1
&
Small Keryo Pente - 1
& other games

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