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Subject: Re: More and more bugs - less and less response from the owner
diogenysos: You should keep using the bug tracker. You never know what may happen next and, if something changes, the person that will be fixing the bugs will be going through the bug tracker, most likely, and not the forums.
Wow! A cloning gammon game "gifted" to me 300 points in one move. Well I am not reporting this to the bug-tracker as I know now we are just paying people without any rights!
Aah, by the way, before someone is mentioning "flame wars" against Fencer now (again) I have to tell you I was writing him a fair E-Mail a couple of weeks ago but - as always - there is no response.
For me as a 12-year BK member, long-term-non-profit traducer and helper (well, many of us helped this site grow a lot without getting back a lot of respect) this is more and more disappointing because a game site without fair games is no longer a game site. Not many places in the business world give the boss the opportunity to treat his clients that bad without consequences :-(
So as a "feature request" I am officially requesting a money-back-system and/or the change of the ownership!
I am not happy to write this, but I am not the only one who tried to communicate with respect and moderately with the "servide provider" and one day even the best patience must have an end.
Fencer: I've hired someone for advice. Its a member of my Uncles law firm, Covahey- Boozer- Devan & Dore- out of Towson MD. Im not sure what will become of it but I'm interested. Is it ok for someone to contact you if necessary? fencer@ brainking.com?
There used to be quite a few Code writers here (sadly most have left now) who could have helped. Maybe if Fencer was interested he could look about for someone, make then 2nd in charge (under him of course) or something. It would be such a shame if this site ever has to close just beause there are too many bug problems etc..... to keep it running.
There must be someone interested (if Fencer is of course).....its a shame Tibs started his own site, he may have been.
I do not see any flame war here and there is no need for something like this anyway. But it must be allowed to write honestly about the disappointment of a paying customer. Personally, I would sugggest employing people - for free or not - in order to guarantee that BK is working well.
Fencer: Seriously, I do not think anyone is really interested in starting any "flame wars". What we(the people that like this site) want is just for the site to become more functional and even more interesting. Considering that even the most minimal of efforts(a better stair system, bug fixes) would lead to that, I do not think it is much to ask. Noone is interested in "bashing " you or your choices and it is *absolutely understandable* that you have lost your enthusiasm for the site after the time you spent with it. I am certain that you do understand the point of view of the people here, though. All we ask is to consider a solution so that we can have what we want and you can have what you need. There are ways that everyone can be satisfied here(including you). Accepting offers for help would be one step to the right direction, in my opinion. I also offer my help for free.
Gabriel Almeida: Thanks for your response and offer. In fact, I've been thinking of posting a long response about "everything what happened here happened for a good reason", but I think it's not necessary because it would only start another endless flame war.
diogenysos:in my opinion, This is a clear situation, and i agree with Fencer in his point of view... In a "formal" sense. Although, agree with thunderGR, problably is not the most inteligent thing in a "comercial sense". But This is an admissable option of the owner, that we must respect.
I am available for some free help, If Fencer (or any new owner -that could be good for the site) wants it, as I also agree This is an amazing site to play games. Or maybe i'm a little addicted... :)
Fencer: Well. It is great to be here. Some of us are here for quite a while, some of us even helped translating. We helped to make the site what it is right now!
Leaving us "alone" with bugs and disappointment just because a lack of enthusiasm is not acceptable as we put money in it and are deserving a professional treatment. As the site is working well more or less there is no big complain, but some things like the bug tracker are essential and should work. If this is not possible (but seems quite easy to realize), one should think about some moneyback-offers for those who already paid for the upcoming years. And, as a minimum, about lower rates for all those who are thinking of becoming members right now.
Fencer: I would expect that, if you are unwilling to sell to an actually reasonable price and if you feel this site is a burden to you that you would, at least, ask for someone to maintain the site in a sort of "additional revenue" agreement. Something like "without maintaining the site I had this revenue, with you maintaining the site I have this+x revenue, so you can be paid x/y for your efforts"...
it would 35 000 $. But the methods used to calculate that are doubtful. Compared to dailygammon, which I personally see at a about 1/10 of brainking, and which is valued 630 $, 6 300 $ would be more like it. From my gut feeling, the truth is somewhere between 6 300 $ and 35 000 $.
ThunderGr: I agree with you. And in my opinion it is the best site to play in. But I get disheartened when he admits that he has no enthusiasm. At times I think is it worth staying in this site if the owner cares so little for people who put money into his site.
How about creating a variant in which a player wins when, and only when he/she connects 4 pieces in a row? Creating a line of five or more would not end the game. Or the other way around: connecting 5 or more pieces would make you LOSE the game.
Raistlin: I'm a terrible line4 player, but I always agree with the best players's opinions. Those who knows the game are particularly able to make it better, and it should be a rule for all games in BK!
SunnY DaY: So I wish to know fellow players' opinions about changing the boardsize either to 7x5 (rows x columns) or 7x7, where only skill (and a bit of luck) determine the winner, not the size of the board.
Hello, I'd like to make some suggestions about Line4 and its variants. Although I can't find any article on the internet about it, decent players (not only from BrainKing) agreed that 8x8 board is won by black (second player). Despite that game statistics prove otherwise, (more games won by white in line4) it still favors 2nd players. I was interested in this game's theory and came across John Tromp's web site, and got an idea. BK players have already suggested enforcing 2 games to make it even. I have a different sollution. On mentioned website there's a table with solved variants:
I would like to suggest that in order to make this game more 'fair' to both players (especially at high gameplay levels) BrainKing should move to board size which (according to John Tromp) leads to a draw, provided both players play perfect. I suppose players will agree with me, that having 5 or less columns would oversimplify the game, as might be with the number of rows. So I wish to know fellow players' opinions about changing the boardsize either to 7x5 (rows x columns) or 7x7, where only skill (and a bit of luck) determine the winner, not the size of the board.
In 7x5 games would end faster (which is a plus, I think) whereas 7x7 would be a less change to 8x8.